For all you atheists

[andross77]

This is just a video i hope at least one of you would watch. Discuss if you'd like but it's just so you can watch it. I hope it speaks to one of you.
Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgJmsK2s0uI&NR=1

 

[Skaloop]

This is just a video i hope at least one of you would watch. Discuss if you'd like but it's just so you can watch it. I hope it speaks to one of you.
Thanks.

What is it with you guys and chance? You seem to mistakenly apply it to everything. "Enzymes could not arise by chance." Sure, I can agree with that; the probability is very small. But I'm not saying enzymes arose by chance; chemistry is not chance.

 

[Belk]

I've heard it all before. I would be willing to walk through exactly why I do not find it in any way convincing, but are you able to listen to my reasoning?

 

[ranmaonehalf]

step 1) close your mind.
step 2) misquote everything. snow has a mind behind it...
step 3) god did it....
step 4 ) prophit...


oh andross do you know the possibility of you being born is?
Do you know everysingle thing that would have happened to have you be born?
1 out of 10^alot to the alot power....
rough guess.

 

[Ectezus]

I don't have audio where I am currently so I'll watch the video later. I'm assuming it's one of the many "[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] it's amazing we're here despite all odds" arguments.

Discussing chance in this context is silly. (Let's ignore that the natural selection process has absolutely nothing to do with chance anyway)

No matter what the chance is, any civilization that would eventually 'hit the jackpot' would ask the same question and if they didn't 'hit the jackpot' they wouldn't be able to ask the question.

Besides it's a funny argument because saying there is a low chance is admitting that there is a possibility. From there on it's a matter of the scale and time.

 

[Mystman]

step 1) close your mind.
step 2) misquote everything. snow has a mind behind it...
step 3) god did it....
step 4 ) prophet...


oh andross do you know the possibility of you being born is?
Do you know everysingle thing that would have happened to have you be born?
1 out of 10^alot
rough guess.

Hi, could you edit that number to look like the scientific notation?

1. It looks smarter.
2. It doesn't screw up my monitor ^^

 

[Mystman]

As for the OP.

0. Stickies!

1. Prime mover needed != The Christian God exists. http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=50690711#post50690711

2. The chance of an enzyme forming randomly out of smaller parts is indeed pretty small. Luckily no-one is claiming that enzymes form that way.

3. A God is needed to explain human morality? Morality evolved (socially and/or biologically) because cooperating creatures can fill a biological niche. Ants don't cooperate because God gave them morality. Ants cooperate because it allows them to survive. Same for humans.

All in all.. some pretty bad arguments in that video.

 

[The Nihilist]

Oh man, that is not convincing

 

[Gishin]

Gonna have to try a lot harder than that.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Hi, could you edit that number to look like the scientific notation?

1. It looks smarter.
2. It doesn't screw up my monitor ^^

Just out of curiosity, why does it screw up your monitor?

And, standard form can be achieved using the superscript notation: "[suр] Hello! [/suр]" gives you "[sup]Hello![/sup]" .

And, I've seen the video. I'll let other people rip it to shreds .

 

[HighwayMan]

3. A God is needed to explain human morality? Morality evolved (socially and/or biologically) because cooperating creatures can fill a biological niche. Ants don't cooperate because God gave them morality. Ants cooperate because it allows them to survive. Same for humans.

I don't see how someone who claims to be "reasonable" can confine human morality to animal instincts and survival patterns. It simply is nowhere near the same thing.

 

[Mystman]

Just out of curiosity, why does it screw up your monitor?

And, standard form can be achieved using the superscript notation: "[suр] Hello! [/suр]" gives you "[sup]Hello![/sup]" .

And, I've seen the video. I'll let other people rip it to shreds .

A mod edited it already; there were a lot more zeroes originally leading to a horizontal scrollbar (and a very unpleasant layout of the entire page..)

And I didn't know this forum had superscript.. there isn't a button for it, is there? Makes you wonder what kind of other dark and evil functions are lurking in the shadows of the reply-editor...

 

[andross77]

I don't know why non-atheists are posting in this thread besides me (looking at Wiccan child) but that's cool .

An atheist CAN and many DO live morally upright lives.

An atheist has NO LOGICAL support or reasoning to live a morally upright life.

Discuss

 

[Garyzenuf]

I don't see how someone who claims to be "reasonable" can confine human morality to animal instincts and survival patterns. It simply is nowhere near the same thing.

What more is there to it?

I'm not saying there isn't anything more to it, I just honestly don't know what else is involved.

*

 

[Mystman]

An atheist has NO LOGICAL support or reasoning to live a morally upright life.

Discuss

1. Being moral will often feel better. (because of biological or social programming)
2. Being moral will often lead to better results (people are more likely to like you, better chance of holding down a job, etc..)
3. Being moral prevents you from getting thrown in jail.

Logical enough reasons to be moral.

 

[andross77]

1. Being moral will often feel better. (because of biological or social programming)
2. Being moral will often lead to better results (people are more likely to like you, better chance of holding down a job, etc..)
3. Being moral prevents you from getting thrown in jail.

Logical enough reasons to be moral.

That's NOT logical when it comes to an atheists perspective though. They will eventually die and cease to exist for ETERNITY. So what does it matter if you spend 60 years in jail or 60 years in a quiet suburb? You will still be non-existant for 432523465235623626345634763476346436 years X infinity.

So from an atheist's perspective it does not LOGICALLY follow to live a moral life. The worldview completely breaks down. Atheists are atheists because of MORAL reasons. Atheists hope and have faith that they will not be held accountable for their actions after they die.

 

[andross77]

The logic of an atheist would go something like this: When i die, i cease to exist and there is no right and wrong anymore. So, i should live however i want.

It is not logical for an atheist to want to live morally and live the good life and be kind to people and do "right" things when there is no ultimate consequence.

 

[andross77]

Many atheists DO live moral lives because to them it's more comfortable, but again it goes against logic when their worldview does not include moral accountability or God.

 

[Nooj]

That's NOT logical when it comes to an atheists perspective though. They will eventually die and cease to exist for ETERNITY. So what does it matter if you spend 60 years in jail or 60 years in a quiet suburb?

Uh, because 60 years in jail is a waste.

I'm sick and tired of being insulted by Christians about my morality. Educate yourself.

 

[b&wpac4]

That's NOT logical when it comes to an atheists perspective though. They will eventually die and cease to exist for ETERNITY. So what does it matter if you spend 60 years in jail or 60 years in a quiet suburb? You will still be non-existant for 432523465235623626345634763476346436 years X infinity.

So from an atheist's perspective it does not LOGICALLY follow to live a moral life. The worldview completely breaks down. Atheists are atheists because of MORAL reasons. Atheists hope and have faith that they will not be held accountable for their actions after they die.

It matters a great deal if you spend 60 years in a jail compared to 60 years in a quiet suburb with family. One is freedom, one is not freedom. I mean, this reminds me of the Lewis Black joke where they spent a huge amount of money on a study to figure out why prisoners wanted to escape from prison. If the only reason you are living a moral life is for some reward later, your reasons for living that life are wrong.