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I don't really like the way that site reviews games, seeing that their overall score for the game is mainly relating to Christian appropriateness, which in my opinion, is not even much of a review at all. Sure, they give the gameplay and stuff like that points, but they aren't really reviewing the game, they seem to be moreso "rating" it, like the MPAA does movies, except from a Christian standpoint. I'd say it's better for reviews than OTHER Christian review sites, but it still isn't a place I'd look into before buying a game.

Wow, I think I just reviewed a review site. XD
 
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TeRRaFLaMe said:
I don't really like the way that site reviews games, seeing that their overall score for the game is mainly relating to Christian appropriateness, which in my opinion, is not even much of a review at all. Sure, they give the gameplay and stuff like that points, but they aren't really reviewing the game, they seem to be moreso "rating" it, like the MPAA does movies, except from a Christian standpoint. I'd say it's better for reviews than OTHER Christian review sites, but it still isn't a place I'd look into before buying a game.

Wow, I think I just reviewed a review site. XD


I agree with this, and the idea of generally lowering a great review for alleged spiritual content (which often isn't "spiritual" at all) is something that I find offensive. Why could they not just say something like "This might offend people who have convictions against a button press causing a field of ice to fall," rather than lower the general review.

Also, their reviews are inconsistent in many cases. I guarantee you that most more conservative folk, using an example, would most likely find FFVII more offensive than FFVIII or FFIX.

After all, VII had some serious shounen ai and even implied yaoi (if you knew where to look), and, unless my copy was a unedit or something, dialogue that even I found shocking-I mean, the only word of that nature absent from usage was the one beginning with the letter F. It was open season on all others.

In contrast, FFVIII and FFIX had much less added to see what the developers could "get away with" in the US. In both, the language was generally a good bit more restrained (i.e. none of the Seven Words You Cannot Say On TV Outside California and New York) and proportionate to the situations.

Yes, FFVIII was a bit more violent, but FFIX was less so. FFVIII contained *no* shounen ai or yaoi, and FFIX had one scene that could have gone as deep friendship or mild shounen ai (the Zidane and Vivi on the cliff scene at Madain Sari, if you've played, you know what I'm talking about)

However, FFVIII and FFIX still got trashed in the reviews, when, ironically, they and FFVI are some of the best of the series. :sigh:

One other thing that annoys me about this site is its fear of MMORPGs. While I agree with some of their concerns about addiction, and while I don't play MMORPGs because I don't have the money, don't have reliable internet access (LOL, dialup that drops you randomly and with no warning=dead characters), and as someone who's a console gamer, have a hard time learning the keyboard inputs (is it alt+F4+ctrl+a to use the weapons attack or ctrl+a?), I don't see anything wrong with MMORPGs, even "open universe" ones where sinful choices can be made.

Nevertheless, they had a review posted for the longest time trashing Everquest for bad player behavior and suggestive characters-even after those situations were remedied somewhat (i.e. according to a player I've talked to, there are no nude characters now, and PvP attacking is considered very rude).

Their reviews of other MMORPGs are usually quite negative, centering on allegations like "you can make your character drink" or "you can make your character have implied relations outside of marriage." These allegations annoy me, because in an open world MMORPG, unless said sin is forced on the character, it is the player's choice to commit or not to commit-just like in real life, and hence, the game itself is no more sinful for having those options than life itself is. :)
 
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Mike_41786 said:
I see what you guys are saying, but this site could be treasured by parents...:)
Which is rather unfortunate I'd say...

You know, there's a reason why there are ESRB ratings on the boxes. Leave it to the lazy parents to ignore it and then complain about it afterwards. :rolleyes:
 
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LOL. . .here are some comments from their section on "The Sims." While some of the more conservative people might actually agree with these, I find them funny and a fine example of how we as Christians can be *too* serious sometimes.

From the official review:

Unfortunately, your Sims relationship with God is not a characteristic that plays a part in their success or development. If I could make an enhancement to the game it would be to add this feature. Leaving it out is deceptive in relation to being truly fulfilled in life.

Must everything be a "teaching tool?" I'm personally secure enough in my faith that I don't need to be reassured of it everywhere I go and in everything I do. :)

Comment posted

"...This game is very subtle in what it teaches and probably a lot more dangerous than a blatantly occult or violent game. Because it is presented as such a normal suburban lifestyle simulation, kids can come to believe that astrology, materialism, and unrestrained sexuality are normal adult behaviors. This Trojan Horse packs a lot more deceit than any other game I have played to date and earns a 50% (F) for Epicurean excess."
--John Gocke, Al Menconi Ministries

I have no words for that one aside from laughter. Again, it's an open universe. You don't *have* to do anything you don't *want* to do. Rather than denouncing the game for having the options, I'd see it as a sign the *player* had spiritual issues. :)

The main review was somewhat intelligent, and the "Comments From Young People" were actually more intelligent and insightful than Mr. Gocke's comment.
 
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My rating of a game is heavily dependent on gratuitous violence and gore.
Also, I don't like undead in a game that has no reason to contain undead. That annoys me.
Since I'm a firearm fanatic, I like realistic weapons.
As you can probably guess, I thought Return to Wolfenstein was a cool game that turned ridiculous.
 
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I found this site from google.com some time back and read through some of the limited reviews they offer. Frankly I think their reviews are way too timid concerning the spiritual dangers of many of the games they review. And additionally they may give certain games reviews of warning yet they seldom use scripture to hammer the nail into the coffin to make understanding to why those games are objectionable in light of God's word. Seems watered down to avoid controversy.

Here are some useful links for you to examine:

editorial from Even A Child said:
Excuse the grotesque visual image, but Satan is vomiting this filth up from the pit of hell and parents sit their kids down to the table every day to lap it up calling it, "entertainment". Meanwhile he laughs when "christians" argue with each other about whether it is harmful.
Breaking the Spell of Wicca (link)


Pastor David L. Brown said:
There is a battle going on for the minds of our children and grandchildren. In fact, Satan and his diabolical demonic hordes want to corrupt the minds of adults as well! Satan is getting the upper hand in our culture because many Christians are oblivious to the tactics the adversary is using to pollute the minds of men, women, boys and girls.
Principles for Determining What Is Acceptable (link)

2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

1 Tim 4:1 But the Spirit saith expressly, that in later times some shall fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons

Shall we gamble with our everlasting inheritance? Nay, I shall not even encourage others to delve into these things for we would be guilty of setting a stumbling block for our Brothers and Sisters in Christ to fall to their spiritual death. Spread the Word, not the lie.
 
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:sigh: Pressing a button for "Blizzard" or "Firaga" or whatever it's called does NOT equate to real life sorcery. Now, if you believed that pressing said button would *really* lead to a blizzard or firestorm in real life, then you definitely have a problem and need to take it up with God. . .or with a doctor. . .but for most of us. . .there's a big difference there.

As an example, I've played the entire Final Fantasy series up to X (no PS2 LOL). I've played almost all of the Square RPGs and several of those by other developers. I've even played the Breath of Fire games to IV (which, in regards to "spiritual" content, are actually more likely to be a sticking point than the FF series, because where FF only mentions "gods" and whatnot in passing, BoF III and IV actually have major plotlines connected to so-called "gods.")

Nevertheless, I have a firm grip on the truth in regards to the Bible. I know that in real life, there is only one God, the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and that He is only represented in truth in the Bible. Although I may have different interpretations of the Word than you do, I too respect the Bible as the whole, complete, and inerrant Word of the Living and Only God and see it as the only source for information on faith and life. I'm not going to turn this faith in for something I know to be only a plot device in a fictional story. :)

I see no more "wrong" in even the Breath Of Fire series than I see in reading Greek or Roman mythology. In fact, I see less wrong there because, with the games, no one has ever really believed, for example, that "the emperor Fou-Lu was coming to save them" -while the Greeks and Romans actually worshipped their myths. BIG difference.

If your convictions make you believe that playing any game is wrong for you, than you should not play it-however, accusing those of us who do not share your convictions of not "spreading the Word" and of "spreading lies" is going a little too far. Personal convictions are just that. :)

Also. . .I find it *very* hard to believe that anything, in and of itself, can cause someone's spiritual death. This is, IMHO, a severe case of hyperbole and overdramatizing the matter.

In the cases of spiritual death and near spiritual death I've observed, it's always been a combination of factors. Usually the final push is a humanly unanswerable question or a life event that makes the person feel that God has abandoned them or that He wasn't there in the first place. The things leading to that are varied. . .and usually don't include entertainment. In fact, I've seen more people pushed from and out of Christianity by the angry and legalistic ferocity of some Christians in defending and enforcing their personal convictions as law.

In fact, I have once seen this in action: at least seven people on an anime board totally rejecting Christianity because of Berit Kjos's "win at all costs" philosophy toward arguing against Neon Genesis Evangelion. While NGE may be bad, and while it may or may not be allowable for Christians, there is no reason to lie and publish, with glowing endorsements, lies about the content of the series, along with flaming and patronizing its fans. Yet this is done there-and the result is that while Christians may be "protected," unbelievers are sent away believing that Christianity is about lying and flaming to make a point.

I digress, and I apologize for that. :) My point is that if anything is most likely to cause spiritual death, it is our obsession with enforcing our fears and convictions on others as if they are the Word of God itself-hence convincing them that Christianity is all about fear and worry and, therefore, causing them to look for something a little less rigorous.

As a final example, let's say your nonbelieving neighbor asked you if you'd seen a horror movie that was at the theater last week. Now, let's say, for the sake of this example, that you had seen it. Your neighbor asks you what you thought of it, when you didn't like it and felt convicted against it.

You could say "It was a bit gory for me. I felt kind of queasy, and the writing wasn't the best either. I don't think I liked it that much."

Or you could say "That movie had all kinds of demonic and occultic symbols. According to (Scripture citation) that means that I and my family are at risk for curses and possession. I don't see how you could have subjected yourself to that! (Scripture citation) says that your mind is darkened so you wouldn't know anything anyway. I just finished anointing my house and family with holy oil in the name of Jesus. Just so you know, I'm praying against the spirit of deception that controls you."

While the latter option may sound like a great witnessing opportunity, it would make any nonbeliever (or even a Christian in some instances) take a few steps back, shake his or her head, and beat a hasty retreat to the sane safety of his/her house while complaining about "those weirdos next door."

The former option may actually lead to somewhat of a discussion. :)

Sorry about the rant everyone. ^^
 
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I think part of the problem is that we think of it as merly "entertainment" and refuse to evaluate what we are watching, hearing, playing, etch. I think instead of sitting here going, "Oh look! that movie has violence!" We should look at it from a christian worldview. Think about what you are doing. For instance I realy like the movie A Beautiful Mind, it's one of my favorites. But I also will note that it has a lot of postmodernist ideas that I think are of a wrong mindset. Is it wrong for me to watch it, no, I don't think so. If I were looking at it from a merly entertainment perspective I would just watch it and my worldview might be subtly changed. I'm not saying that movie makers are boogy men that are out to get Christians. I think merly that they are presenting their view and we should discover what they are saying and be able to debait them on it. It isn't merly "entertainment," it's a collection of people's idea's.... If you get what I mean...
 
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Susan said:
:sigh: Pressing a button for "Blizzard" or "Firaga" or whatever it's called does NOT equate to real life sorcery. Now, if you believed that pressing said button would *really* lead to a blizzard or firestorm in real life, then you definitely have a problem and need to take it up with God. . .or with a doctor. . .but for most of us. . .there's a big difference there.

As an example, I've played the entire Final Fantasy series up to X (no PS2 LOL). I've played almost all of the Square RPGs and several of those by other developers. I've even played the Breath of Fire games to IV (which, in regards to "spiritual" content, are actually more likely to be a sticking point than the FF series, because where FF only mentions "gods" and whatnot in passing, BoF III and IV actually have major plotlines connected to so-called "gods.")

Nevertheless, I have a firm grip on the truth in regards to the Bible. I know that in real life, there is only one God, the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and that He is only represented in truth in the Bible. Although I may have different interpretations of the Word than you do, I too respect the Bible as the whole, complete, and inerrant Word of the Living and Only God and see it as the only source for information on faith and life. I'm not going to turn this faith in for something I know to be only a plot device in a fictional story. :)

I see no more "wrong" in even the Breath Of Fire series than I see in reading Greek or Roman mythology. In fact, I see less wrong there because, with the games, no one has ever really believed, for example, that "the emperor Fou-Lu was coming to save them" -while the Greeks and Romans actually worshipped their myths. BIG difference.

If your convictions make you believe that playing any game is wrong for you, than you should not play it-however, accusing those of us who do not share your convictions of not "spreading the Word" and of "spreading lies" is going a little too far. Personal convictions are just that. :)

Also. . .I find it *very* hard to believe that anything, in and of itself, can cause someone's spiritual death. This is, IMHO, a severe case of hyperbole and overdramatizing the matter.

In the cases of spiritual death and near spiritual death I've observed, it's always been a combination of factors. Usually the final push is a humanly unanswerable question or a life event that makes the person feel that God has abandoned them or that He wasn't there in the first place. The things leading to that are varied. . .and usually don't include entertainment. In fact, I've seen more people pushed from and out of Christianity by the angry and legalistic ferocity of some Christians in defending and enforcing their personal convictions as law.

In fact, I have once seen this in action: at least seven people on an anime board totally rejecting Christianity because of Berit Kjos's "win at all costs" philosophy toward arguing against Neon Genesis Evangelion. While NGE may be bad, and while it may or may not be allowable for Christians, there is no reason to lie and publish, with glowing endorsements, lies about the content of the series, along with flaming and patronizing its fans. Yet this is done there-and the result is that while Christians may be "protected," unbelievers are sent away believing that Christianity is about lying and flaming to make a point.

I digress, and I apologize for that. :) My point is that if anything is most likely to cause spiritual death, it is our obsession with enforcing our fears and convictions on others as if they are the Word of God itself-hence convincing them that Christianity is all about fear and worry and, therefore, causing them to look for something a little less rigorous.

As a final example, let's say your nonbelieving neighbor asked you if you'd seen a horror movie that was at the theater last week. Now, let's say, for the sake of this example, that you had seen it. Your neighbor asks you what you thought of it, when you didn't like it and felt convicted against it.

You could say "It was a bit gory for me. I felt kind of queasy, and the writing wasn't the best either. I don't think I liked it that much."

Or you could say "That movie had all kinds of demonic and occultic symbols. According to (Scripture citation) that means that I and my family are at risk for curses and possession. I don't see how you could have subjected yourself to that! (Scripture citation) says that your mind is darkened so you wouldn't know anything anyway. I just finished anointing my house and family with holy oil in the name of Jesus. Just so you know, I'm praying against the spirit of deception that controls you."

While the latter option may sound like a great witnessing opportunity, it would make any nonbeliever (or even a Christian in some instances) take a few steps back, shake his or her head, and beat a hasty retreat to the sane safety of his/her house while complaining about "those weirdos next door."

The former option may actually lead to somewhat of a discussion. :)

Sorry about the rant everyone. ^^
Wow all that opinionated ranting and not even a single reference to scripture backing it all up. Not even any use of scripture in an attempt to dispute my reference links or submitted passages being out of context or something. Yet you only use rants of opinion based on what seems right in your own eyes. It’s not difficult to see where this generation is headed.


Mike_41786 said:
Guys, Please do not debate on this post. I have already got one of my posts closed down because everyone was debating. I was just trying to give so good info...
As for this thread, I only offered my view of the site and backed up my view from why I concluded that the reviews were timid. I didn’t attack anyone here as I was attacked. People used to chase Jesus around trying to kill him for the things he said, you know.
With that said I'm done with this thread.
Peace out
 
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I agree with Susan. Its up to you personally as to what you should and should not play. As I mentioned a while back that 3 of my friends have turned to atheism after they were insulted for playing "Diablo." I personally like "Breath of Fire." Even though the main character can turn into a dragon. Like Susan said. It is up to us each personally and spiritually to determine what games we should play.
Durelen,
I am shocked that you didn't use Scripture to backup your own arguements against Susan. Also I am insulted by what you said. How is insulting your fellow Christians godly? Also, who put you in charge of my faith? I came here to converse with other Christians about topics I am interested. I say that this thread should be closed for this insult for this doesn't just insult one person, it insults all Christians. I have learned to control my anger since I became a Christian and now I am ticked. It takes alot for me to become angry. I hope you weren't planning on changing my mind Durelen. We are all DIFFERENT in this world and thats the way we were created. We aren't all like you Durelen, and I am glad.
 
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Tiga Ronso said:
I agree with Susan. Its up to you personally as to what you should and should not play. As I mentioned a while back that 3 of my friends have turned to atheism after they were insulted for playing "Diablo." I personally like "Breath of Fire." Even though the main character can turn into a dragon. Like Susan said. It is up to us each personally and spiritually to determine what games we should play.
Durelen,
I am shocked that you didn't use Scripture to backup your own arguements against Susan. Also I am insulted by what you said. How is insulting your fellow Christians godly? Also, who put you in charge of my faith? I came here to converse with other Christians about topics I am interested. I say that this thread should be closed for this insult for this doesn't just insult one person, it insults all Christians. I have learned to control my anger since I became a Christian and now I am ticked. It takes alot for me to become angry. I hope you weren't planning on changing my mind Durelen. We are all DIFFERENT in this world and thats the way we were created. We aren't all like you Durelen, and I am glad.
And what did I say which you are referring to? Not putting a stumbling block in front of a Brother or Sister? So I should promote games that are contradictory to what the bible clearly teaches and encourage people to play games loaded with witchcraft and demonic powers? That seems strange for one to be protesting against.

Or are you saying that I should shut up concerning the full out assault of the devil and his tricks upon my Brothers and Sisters, well that would not make me a good keeper for my Brother, would it? You should give your anger to God and ask him for his guidance in such matters.

As for answering the ranting line for line I see no need to do so. I have no intention of being dragged into a heated skirmish containing ratings and direct character assassinations (referencing her comments of doctors related to mental health). It just won’t help in any way.

All I can do is speak my peace and pray that the Holy Spirit rescue, for I have no such direct power of myself.


As for your friends, I see no reason to pin this directly on me in some sense. I bet there is more to this story than has been revealed here, including influences, which they were obviously involved in. We should pray that the devils stronghold be broken in their lives so that they may see their error and return to Gods open arms.
 
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Mike_41786 said:
Guys, Please do not debate on this post. I have already got one of my posts closed down because everyone was debating. I was just trying to give so good info...
If you don't mind I have a question. Why do you care if we debate on a post you started? This rather puzzles me... :scratch:
 
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