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Can you tell us why you think that? I would be interested to know. Thanks.
this boy was turned gay because others called him names. yup, thats how it happens.Jeremy was a typical teenager with baggy jeans, an appetite like a horse and a "tude" the size of New Hampshire. Or at least thats what his parents thought. But more and more, they began to see how different he was from other teenage boys they knew. Ever since he started junior high school, Jeremy felt like he didnt fit in. It seemed like most of the guys in his class were only interested in sports. Jeremy was interested in music. He was shorter and skinnier than many of the boys in his gym classa glaring fact that caused him to feel self-conscious. Most of his friends were girls. For some reason, he felt he could relate to them more easily.
But he never realized how different he was until the first time someone called him queer. It was like a devastating gunshot wound to his heart. And when others joined in and added the title [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] to the insults, Jeremy was humiliated beyond words. By the time he reached high school, he was basically considered an outcast. He couldnt communicate his fears to his dadin fact, Jeremy couldnt relate to him at all. So, slowly, he found himself in a world with no male companions or acceptance from men. Soon, Jeremy began to crave attention from guys and even fantasize what it could be like if a boy really liked him.
what rights, exactly, will christians lose that nobody else will? absurd.If no one fights for our rights as Christians, we will lose them.
I don't believe any value that we assign to be Godly and being Christian should EVER have to be 'fought' for. If we Christians recognize them as values, and they are blessed by God, we will always have them. To me, the idea of 'fighting' for values kinda reminds me of how Judas wanted Jesus to fight the Roman authority. But that isn't how Jesus works.
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What about the issue of abortion? Do you not think it OK to fight for the unborn child who cannot fight for themselves? Especially the partial birth abortions where the baby is partially born and then killed. I do not care what anyone says, I believe that baby feels pain.
Or what about the right to pray in public schools. We still have this right, but what if they wanted to take it away. Would it be worth writing a letter about?
What about our right to read a Bible publicly? Of course we still have this right also and I could never imagine not having it, but there are countries today that do not allow this.
How about worshipping the Lord publicly? Not worth fighting for?
I think we are to submit to the laws of the land. But, I also think the land will be a better place with Christian people influencing those laws.
This is just my opinion. I respect your right to disagree.
Is FOTF a lobby group?
I would be wary of organisations that exaggerate situations to get the sympathy vote though. If you can't make your point telling the truth, then I don't want to be a part of your "truth".
They are in Australia as well. I can't recall the website although shouldn't be too hard to google. They aren't as big in Oz as America of course.Is FOTF a lobby group? I'm guessing so. Are they only in America? It seems that way.
I would be wary of organisations that exaggerate situations to get the sympathy vote though. If you can't make your point telling the truth, then I don't want to be a part of your "truth".
I won't make a debate of this, but rather just give a quick reply:this boy was turned gay because others called him names. yup, thats how it happens.
I don't believe any value that we assign to be Godly and being Christian should EVER have to be 'fought' for. If we Christians recognize them as values, and they are blessed by God, we will always have them. To me, the idea of 'fighting' for values kinda reminds me of how Judas wanted Jesus to fight the Roman authority. But that isn't how Jesus works.
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What about the issue of abortion? Do you not think it OK to fight for the unborn child who cannot fight for themselves? Especially the partial birth abortions where the baby is partially born and then killed. I do not care what anyone says, I believe that baby feels pain.
Or what about the right to pray in public schools. We still have this right, but what if they wanted to take it away. Would it be worth writing a letter about?
What about our right to read a Bible publicly? Of course we still have this right also and I could never imagine not having it, but there are countries today that do not allow this.
How about worshipping the Lord publicly? Not worth fighting for?
I think we are to submit to the laws of the land. But, I also think the land will be a better place with Christian people influencing those laws.
This is just my opinion. I respect your right to disagree.
I don't think we will be losing our rights to read the Bible publicly or worshiping the lord publicly. These are protected by the constitution. Even still, they didn't have these in ancient Greece in the 'Bible times', and we seem to think they were the epitome of Christian church, so they must have managed without it.
As for the 'right to pray in public school' I did so every day in high school, I was even in a prayer group. This is a misconception that this was a horrible thing. What they got rid of was making everyone pray in school. It's not like when some kid says grace at lunch, some teacher comes over and expells him.
As for abortion, I am against it, but I don't believe it's a religious issue. I've seen some compelling arguements FOR abortion using the Bible, and I don't find the small handful of verses against it to be all that convincing. I find abortion to be a moral issue backed by scientific reasoning, nothing else.
the aclu has done more to ensure these rights will not be lost than fotf can ever dream of doing. the difference is that the aclu doesn't lie in their presentation.Or what about the right to pray in public schools. We still have this right, but what if they wanted to take it away. Would it be worth writing a letter about?
What about our right to read a Bible publicly? Of course we still have this right also and I could never imagine not having it, but there are countries today that do not allow this.
How about worshipping the Lord publicly? Not worth fighting for?
you could never convince someone to be attracted to and to enjoy sexual relations with the sex they are not inherently attracted to. it just doesn't work like that.If you reinforce in a child that they're good, smart kids, they are more likely to be so. On the other hand, a child who's always told that they're naughty, stupid, etc will probably be exactly who they're told they are.
bingo.I would be wary of organisations that exaggerate situations to get the sympathy vote though. If you can't make your point telling the truth, then I don't want to be a part of your "truth".
This statement makes me feel sorry for bi-sexuals. If they are only supposed to marry one person then how do they decide which "natural attraction" to follow? I do belioeve it is possible to convince someone they are attracted to something different. After all we tell kids all the time that boys don't cry or you have to like talking about cars or if you like drama then your a pansy. I could list so many more examples of where we make things tough for boys by making stupid statements like the above. So when a boy doesn't enjoy typical macho things what is he supposed to think when it is perfectly acceptable for gay people to enjoy those same things. Let's not kid ourselves that these stereotypes aren't reinforced by christians either. Untill those stereotypes are gotten rid of then these problems will occour.you could never convince someone to be attracted to and to enjoy sexual relations with the sex they are not inherently attracted to. it just doesn't work like that.
the aclu has done more to ensure these rights will not be lost than fotf can ever dream of doing. the difference is that the aclu doesn't lie in their presentation.
Uhh... I don't know if I'm missing your point, but it's not that hard. We just don't decide which 'natural attraction' to follow, we lead with both. That's like saying to someone attracted to both white and african girls 'You have to decide one or the other'. In reality, you just let life come to you, hoping to find someone in either group, and when you find someone, you concentrate on loving that person, forsaking all others.This statement makes me feel sorry for bi-sexuals. If they are only supposed to marry one person then how do they decide which "natural attraction" to follow? I do belioeve it is possible to convince someone they are attracted to something different. After all we tell kids all the time that boys don't cry or you have to like talking about cars or if you like drama then your a pansy. I could list so many more examples of where we make things tough for boys by making stupid statements like the above. So when a boy doesn't enjoy typical macho things what is he supposed to think when it is perfectly acceptable for gay people to enjoy those same things. Let's not kid ourselves that these stereotypes aren't reinforced by christians either. Untill those stereotypes are gotten rid of then these problems will occour.
How do you think those nutball Christians who 'change' do it?
I've listened to some of this stuff, my dad would play it sometimes if it was on. I found it pretentious at best... we'd discuss it a bit, and basicly come to the conclusion it was drivel... Hey- it did cause bonding! (seriously, I wasn't making this point when I started typing) Maybe I should reconsider my point...I don't have time to read the whole thread. But so far I've found NOTHING wrong with "Focusing" on the family... seriously, the concepts are awesome and the people I've talked to from FOTF were inspirational
I don't know what man trying to bed with women has to do with a point on homosexuality... but- point taken. It is unfair to say that. I suppose it's a bit out of bitterness, since it seems that a very tiny fraction of a minority of a minority 'change', and it seems to convince a lot of people that know nothing about the subject that they anyone can do this 'change'. But- I it IS unfair. Certainly, even if I don't think it is wrong- giving up anything for the sake of being closer to God should not be frowned on. Thank you for pointing out my error. I shall work on this.This kind of langauge is really not needed. Would you label every man who tried to bed as many women as possible a "nutball Christian" for denying their domonate feelings and cleaving to one wife? Some of those folks and maybe most of those folks could be very happy with their new life. It is unjust to label them anything other than peole who are trying to follow G_D"s word as they see it.
I don't know what man trying to bed with women has to do with a point on homosexuality... but- point taken. It is unfair to say that. I suppose it's a bit out of bitterness, since it seems that a very tiny fraction of a minority of a minority 'change', and it seems to convince a lot of people that know nothing about the subject that they anyone can do this 'change'. But- I it IS unfair. Certainly, even if I don't think it is wrong- giving up anything for the sake of being closer to God should not be frowned on. Thank you for pointing out my error. I shall work on this.
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