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<blockquote data-quote="ArmenianJohn" data-source="post: 75144782" data-attributes="member: 324023"><p>You're a centrist Democrat and it's not unusual for centrist Democrats to flip to conservative and Republican sides on certain issues, which is what you're doing on this issue. A centrist Democrat is practically a Republican. In fact some liberal Republicans are more liberal than most centrist Democrats.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I think you still lean right of center. It's not "because" I disagree with you that I think so but rather that that is what I see from you. You espouse the red scare conspiracy, you believe that BLM is the trojan horse for the commies to take over America, and your opposition to BLM and the protesters is well documented in your posts. You try t present a different way but the result is still a strong opposition to the protests and you are trying to pin them as the reason for the failures of Republican governors.</p><p></p><p></p><p>What uptick in NY or NJ or CT??? You again try to pin the blame the protests as catalysts yet somehow they weren't catalysts in NY or NJ or CT or MI etc... The ral catalysts were Republican governors encouraging their people to not practice safety, allowing all indoor businesses to open with few to no restrictions, and even going so far as to PROHIBIT mayors from implementing mask-wearing in their cities. Just ask the mayor of Phoenix. I even created a thread on it which you are unsurprisingly not involved in because it destroys the credibility of these Republican governors.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't know whose "suggestion" you're referring to. The facts are unchanged. Large gatherings increase risk. No social distancing increases the risk. No mask wearing increases the risk further. When you bring all of that indoors, the risk increases several times over. This is what we know about the risks of coronavirus spread.</p><p></p><p>Now compare the states, all of which had protests (large outdoor gatherings with some social distancing and lots of mask-wearing) in common. If that's the catalyst then all the states should be seeing the same uptick rates. They are not.</p><p></p><p>What other differences are there that could be causing it then? Republican governors allowing indoor, barely restricted activity is the difference from Democratic governors who kept indoor activity highly restricted and mostly closed. There's your difference. Why did they do things so differently from each other? Well, Democratic governors point to the science and data as their source for guidance and behavior while Republican governors pointed to the White House as their source for guidance.</p><p></p><p>It's that simple. You just keep steering it back to blaming BLM because you have a cold war era mentality about communism which you have expressed so you pin the blame on them. And that's fine if that's what you believe but I can't accept your backpedaling on the issue now and claiming that's not the case.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yet you're cherry picking. I'm the one who's not cherry picking. It's not the outdoor gatherings that are the main culprit for the uptick in numbers. It's the unrestricted indoor gatherings. The protests were mostly outdoors and mask-wearing was widely used in the protests. No doubt there was a spread of virus due to the protests, but all states had the same exposure from the protests.</p><p></p><p>The difference is in how politically motivated Republican governors removed restrictions and prohibited restrictions on indoor businesses all to serve the economy, all at the guidance of the White House, all for the money, all while regarding the virus as a fake problem. Now that they see it's not fake they are panicking and backpedaling. And you're siding with them by shifting the blame to BLM protesters. And that's fine, but when I argue against your ideas you get upset with me and claim that you're not actually taking the stance which you clearly ARE taking.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ArmenianJohn, post: 75144782, member: 324023"] You're a centrist Democrat and it's not unusual for centrist Democrats to flip to conservative and Republican sides on certain issues, which is what you're doing on this issue. A centrist Democrat is practically a Republican. In fact some liberal Republicans are more liberal than most centrist Democrats. I think you still lean right of center. It's not "because" I disagree with you that I think so but rather that that is what I see from you. You espouse the red scare conspiracy, you believe that BLM is the trojan horse for the commies to take over America, and your opposition to BLM and the protesters is well documented in your posts. You try t present a different way but the result is still a strong opposition to the protests and you are trying to pin them as the reason for the failures of Republican governors. What uptick in NY or NJ or CT??? You again try to pin the blame the protests as catalysts yet somehow they weren't catalysts in NY or NJ or CT or MI etc... The ral catalysts were Republican governors encouraging their people to not practice safety, allowing all indoor businesses to open with few to no restrictions, and even going so far as to PROHIBIT mayors from implementing mask-wearing in their cities. Just ask the mayor of Phoenix. I even created a thread on it which you are unsurprisingly not involved in because it destroys the credibility of these Republican governors. I don't know whose "suggestion" you're referring to. The facts are unchanged. Large gatherings increase risk. No social distancing increases the risk. No mask wearing increases the risk further. When you bring all of that indoors, the risk increases several times over. This is what we know about the risks of coronavirus spread. Now compare the states, all of which had protests (large outdoor gatherings with some social distancing and lots of mask-wearing) in common. If that's the catalyst then all the states should be seeing the same uptick rates. They are not. What other differences are there that could be causing it then? Republican governors allowing indoor, barely restricted activity is the difference from Democratic governors who kept indoor activity highly restricted and mostly closed. There's your difference. Why did they do things so differently from each other? Well, Democratic governors point to the science and data as their source for guidance and behavior while Republican governors pointed to the White House as their source for guidance. It's that simple. You just keep steering it back to blaming BLM because you have a cold war era mentality about communism which you have expressed so you pin the blame on them. And that's fine if that's what you believe but I can't accept your backpedaling on the issue now and claiming that's not the case. Yet you're cherry picking. I'm the one who's not cherry picking. It's not the outdoor gatherings that are the main culprit for the uptick in numbers. It's the unrestricted indoor gatherings. The protests were mostly outdoors and mask-wearing was widely used in the protests. No doubt there was a spread of virus due to the protests, but all states had the same exposure from the protests. The difference is in how politically motivated Republican governors removed restrictions and prohibited restrictions on indoor businesses all to serve the economy, all at the guidance of the White House, all for the money, all while regarding the virus as a fake problem. Now that they see it's not fake they are panicking and backpedaling. And you're siding with them by shifting the blame to BLM protesters. And that's fine, but when I argue against your ideas you get upset with me and claim that you're not actually taking the stance which you clearly ARE taking. [/QUOTE]
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