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This is a mistake a lot of states have made.

Abstinence-only (or Abstinence-adjacent) education, while perhaps well-intentioned, hasn't produced the results the proponents thought they would. (the states that tried it ended up with higher teen pregnancy rates)

As it turns out (shocker), horny teenagers will still find ways to have sex once in a while when there's no adult supervision, and restricting education about safe sex practices hasn't done people any favors with regards to that reality.

In the past, I've used the analogy of people with self-control issues surrounding food, and buffets lol.

You take 30 of people with that issue to a Golden Corral, and then simply say "well, weight management is simple....just don't eat" and lemme know how that works out for you.

If people think teens are in anymore control of their hormones than an over-eater is with their appetite, they're dreaming.


Comprehensive sex education is the pragmatic acknowledgment of the reality that "some of these kids are going to hookup at parties when their parents aren't around...it's better if they know how to prevent certain things so that we don't end up with a bunch of pregnant 16 year old or high schoolers with the clap"


Now, to be fair to the other side, do I think some of this is backlash to some of the things that are happening that I think are "over-sexualizing"....Yes. But don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

A person can object to some of the stuff that's going on while still acknowledging that it's a good idea to make high school students aware of proper condom usage.
 
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This is a mistake a lot of states have made.

Abstinence-only (or Abstinence-adjacent) education, while perhaps well-intentioned, hasn't produced the results the proponents thought they would. (the states that tried it ended up with higher teen pregnancy rates)

As it turns out (shocker), horny teenagers will still find ways to have sex once in a while when there's no adult supervision, and restricting education about safe sex practices hasn't done people any favors with regards to that reality.

In the past, I've used the analogy of people with self-control issues surrounding food, and buffets lol.

You take 30 of people with that issue to a Golden Corral, and then simply say "well, weight management is simple....just don't eat" and lemme know how that works out for you.

If people think teens are in anymore control of their hormones than an over-eater is with their appetite, they're dreaming.


Comprehensive sex education is the pragmatic acknowledgment of the reality that "some of these kids are going to hookup at parties when their parents aren't around...it's better if they know how to prevent certain things so that we don't end up with a bunch of pregnant 16 year old or high schoolers with the clap"


Now, to be fair to the other side, do I think some of this is backlash to some of the things that are happening that I think are "over-sexualizing"....Yes. But don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

A person can object to some of the stuff that's going on while still acknowledging that it's a good idea to make high school students aware of proper condom usage.
Foe the record though, us old folks would be SHOCKED to know that rhe number of kids who identify as "straight edge" has been steadily increasing since rhe 80s.
Now I can't identify my source well because it links to a reddit with a naughty name but it went feom 5% to 40% who were straight edge for a period of 3 months.

And I am inclined to believe that foe rhe most part.
 
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‘Emphasize abstinence’ in sex ed, Florida tells schools, skip lessons on contraception

who thinks its a good rhing for kids to learn about the health of their bodies?

Who thinks it's good for young boys and girls to get formal and rigorous instruction on consent?

These folks are setting kids up for hardship. If little Suzy gets pregnant, they can shame her for being immoral and then hail the patriarchy for being right all along. If she just hadn't worn those provocative clothes, then the boys would have been able to control themselves. Maybe they'll bring back the chastity belt.
 
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These folks are setting kids up for hardship. If little Suzy gets pregnant, they can shame her for being immoral and then hail the patriarchy for being right all along. If she just hadn't worn those provocative clothes, then the boys would have been able to control themselves. Maybe they'll bring back the chastity belt.
I want to see if I can find the story, but I heard a story about a girl raised super religious and had never understood the concept of consent. She was sexually victimized by a grandparent until she understood that what was happenning was wrong.

It was a shocking story but I can't find the original source.
 
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These folks are setting kids up for hardship. If little Suzy gets pregnant, they can shame her for being immoral and then hail the patriarchy for being right all along. If she just hadn't worn those provocative clothes, then the boys would have been able to control themselves. Maybe they'll bring back the chastity belt.
Sadly its misguided leadership cowtowing to people with stupid ideas.

I don't think it's any kind of "patriarchy" thing just an old fashioned "otherwise unemployable politician desperate to get voted in".
 
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Yes, consent is important. Learning to say no and keeping it in your pants prevents teen pregnancies.
But abstinence only programs haven’t show progress at reducing unwanted pregnancies among those they are inflicting on. Unlike providing birth control which halved the number of unwanted pregnancies and abortions.
 
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But abstinence only programs haven’t show progress at reducing unwanted pregnancies among those they are inflicting on. Unlike providing birth control which halved the number of unwanted pregnancies and abortions.
True Bristol Palin is proof, that abstinence is nonsense.
 
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Yes, consent is important. Learning to say no and keeping it in your pants prevents teen pregnancies.
I'm not a FAN of teen pregnancies but honestly, consent is more about stuff like RAPE. Both kids can consent as a teen
 
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But abstinence only programs haven’t show progress at reducing unwanted pregnancies among those they are inflicting on. Unlike providing birth control which halved the number of unwanted pregnancies and abortions.
Hey! If parents want to give their children condoms or birth control, that’s their own right.

Maybe I wasn’t clear.

I wasn’t advocating for abstinence only.
 
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I'm not a FAN of teen pregnancies but honestly, consent is more about stuff like RAPE. Both kids can consent as a teen
Yes. Correct. Both must consent.
 
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I don't know if anyone ever watched Kids in the Hall (a Canadian comedy show in the 90s).
One of their sketches was of a "high schooler" who got a vasectomy "and got really popular".

Funny sketch.
 
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I don't know if anyone ever watched Kids in the Hall (a Canadian comedy show in the 90s).
One of their sketches was of a "high schooler" who got a vasectomy "and got really popular".

Funny sketch.
I’ve seen a few episodes. Don’t remember that one in particular.
 
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Hey! If parents want to give their children condoms or birth control, that’s their own right.
My link details a Colorado program that provided long term birth control and cut the abortion rate in half for the demographic targeted. There are zero pro-life groups promoting similar programs which demonstrates that getting people to conform to their sexual morality is more important than reducing the number of abortions.
 
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who thinks its a good rhing for kids to learn about the health of their bodies?
Becky and Dave. Some neighbors of mine.
Who thinks it's good for young boys and girls to get formal and rigorous instruction on consent?
I asked Becky and Dave. They want to know exactly what "formal and rigorous instruction on consent" means.
 
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