Flat or round earth -The final experiment.

Phil G · Saturday at 8:48 AM

Apple Sky said:
I will & I do because you have, very much so & you just can't see it.

No, a person with an indoctrinated mind cannot rationalise their belief. It is just a belief.

You have shown that you don’t accept the literal meaning of Scripture that the sun goes down and rises. Yet you accept the literal meaning of the sun stopping.

And the only thing that you base rejection of one and not the other is a belief. No rational thought, no critical thinking. Just one agrees with the notion of flat earth and the other doesn’t.

And it leads to calling sincere Christians liars, despite their eyewitness testimonies.

That’s indoctrination.

Strong in Him · Saturday at 9:15 AM

Apple Sky said:
I will & I do because you have, very much so & you just can't see it.

Look in a mirror when you say that.

Apple Sky · Saturday at 9:16 AM

Phil G said:
That’s indoctrination.

No, indoctrination comes from Teachers, Science books & TV programming ( literally )

Apple Sky · Saturday at 9:25 AM

Strong in Him said:
Look in a mirror when you say that.

Mirror mirror on the wall.

From the second biggest fairy tale of them all.

Strong in Him · Saturday at 9:44 AM

Apple Sky said:
No, indoctrination comes from Teachers, Science books & TV programming ( literally )

You haven't answered my post #3,630 which was in answer to your own question.
You haven't answered my post #3.634, you just wrote "I give up with you guys" - which you clearly haven't.
You haven't answered my post #3,637 where I've explained the reasons we can't trust anything you say.
Seems to me that you're avoiding them because you have no answers. (No one's produced a YouTube video about it.)

You have written the same things over and over again - eg "truth will out", "anything hidden will be revealed" (the shape of the earth is only hidden for those who don't want to see) and "you'll find out one day". You have failed to explain what difference the shape of the earth makes to our salvation, Christian life, faith and future destiny - either because you can't or because you don't want to admit that it makes no difference at all.
That's indoctrination. You are not responding to posts, considering what we write, asking questions and then responding with more questions, thought out arguments or to say either, "no, you're wrong because of ........." or "I hadn't thought of that; you could be right." Any scientific writings, experiments, studies or eye witness accounts are all brushed aside with "fake" "lies."
At the same time, you expect us to believe your "arguments", interviews and testimonies in favour of a flat earth - sorry, circular, 40,000 foot deep earth.

I think you'd be quite happy if, one day, God condemned the lot of us for not believing his earth was a certain shape - or at least denied us a few eternal blessings.
That will, and can, never happen - read that carefully and write 200 lines.

Phil G · Saturday at 9:58 AM

Apple Sky said:
No, indoctrination comes from Teachers, Science books & TV programming ( literally )

No. You really have trouble understanding stuff. Indoctrination comes from an emotional response to feeling good about yourself. This is how cults work. They make people feel loved and accepted. They do it through exploiting a person's vulnerability.

After indoctrination, a person cannot rationalise or explain their belief. If asked for reasons for their belief, they just restate their belief. Even when evidence and proof is shown to them, they cannot understand it because it goes against their belief. This is something you do all the time. When asked for evidence and logical reasoning, you just restate your belief, despite eyewitness testimonies from sincere Christians and a wealth of evidence contradicting your belief.

You have shown that you cannot accept the literal reading of the sun rising and going down as stated in Scripture. Yet you readily accept the sun stopping as literal. What's the difference? One matches your belief to take it literally, the other doesn't, so you reject its literal reading and say it "appears" to go down. You are basing your reasoning purely on your belief and nothing else. And when sincere Christians disagree with you based on eyewitness testimonies and clear evidence, you call them indoctrinated, or worse, liars.

Strong in Him · Saturday at 10:07 AM

Phil G said:
After indoctrination, a person cannot rationalise or explain their belief. If asked for reasons for their belief, they just restate their belief. Even when evidence and proof is shown to them, they cannot understand it because it goes against their belief.

I've had that trouble with JWs. They have to say their set spiel and can't cope with anything that throws them off track.
They once quoted a verse "from Acts 20" to me, I corrected them and showed them it was from Acts 10.
They didn't come back for a long time.

Apple Sky · Saturday at 10:39 AM

Strong in Him said:
I've had that trouble with JWs. They have to say their set spiel and can't cope with anything that throws them off track.
They once quoted a verse "from Acts 20" to me, I corrected them and showed them it was from Acts 10.
They didn't come back for a long time.

I must admit your very good at correcting people, I bet you thoroughly revel in it.

Phil G · Saturday at 10:43 AM

Apple Sky said:
I must admit you’re very good at correcting people, I bet you thoroughly revel in it.

I see how you try to use ridicule instead of answering questions and points with any rational logic.

Strong in Him · Saturday at 10:47 AM

Apple Sky said:
I must admit your very good at correcting people, I bet you thoroughly revel in it.

And you've just proved my point, again.
You can't answer my posts, so you resort to insults.

Apple Sky · Saturday at 11:11 AM

Strong in Him said:
And you've just proved my point, again.
You can't answer my posts, so you resort to insults.

I'll answer any questions you want but you don't ask questions, your questions are more like statements about me which half the time are insulting.

Phil G · Saturday at 11:18 AM

Apple Sky said:
I'll answer any questions you want but you don't ask questions, your questions are more like statements about me which half the time are insulting.

Here you go again. Instead of addressing your own attitude towards people (including calling them liars), you try to turn it against somebody else. You don't answer questions. All you do is make statements and claims. People here have gone to great lengths to explain things to you on numerous threads. You just say the equivalent of "Nah, earth's flat" in answer.

So stop trying to provoke people. It seems to me all you're doing now is trying to get the thread shut down because you have absolutely no answers for anything you believe. It's looking a bit like trying to get revenge.

And the one thing I can say for sure, @Strong in Him has most certainly NOT been insulting towards you. Despite your judgemental attitude towards her and others, she has said a number of times that you could be a great woman of God.

Apple Sky · Saturday at 11:37 AM

Phil G said:
And the one thing I can say for sure, @Strong in Him has most certainly NOT been insulting towards you.

No - Try reading some of her posts again, I've lost count.

I lie, I've committed the unforgivable sin. My heads in the sand & she is always summarizing stuff about me.

Strong in Him · Saturday at 11:49 AM

Apple Sky said:
I'll answer any questions you want but you don't ask questions, your questions are more like statements about me which half the time are insulting.

They might seem insulting, but I have only been quoting your own words or your own position.

You DO take the Bible literally - when it suits you - and it was not all written to be taken literally. Question: (which I've asked before) do you take Jesus' words "if you right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away" to be literal?
You HAVE said that you can't get your head around science, or don't know enough science - and then you dismiss ALL experts, those who have studied, are qualified and the Christians using the gifts God has given them, as liars. With no evidence of that at all. Question: what are NASA "covering up" and why would they need to?
You DID say that NASA funded the Final Experiment, when they didn't. And that they had to ask Dean to go along for appearances sake - and you then said that they probably didn't even ask him.

You also keep saying "show me where it says in Scripture that .........", and then you freely quote from, and promote, the Ethiopian Bible, the book of Enoch, the book of Jashur and other writings that aren't Scriptural at all.
I'll say it again, if you spent as much time studying, and learning, Scripture as you do reading non Scriptural books, or searching for YouTube videos to prove something that doesn't even matter, you would be an amazing Christian.

Phil G · Saturday at 12:01 PM

Apple Sky said:
No - Try reading some of her posts again, I've lost count.

I lie, I've committed the unforgivable sin. My heads in the sand & she is always summarizing stuff about me.

I don’t recall her saying you lie. You’ve tried to accuse me of that before when I most certainly didn’t. So that one isn’t ringing true.

As far as the unforgivable sin is concerned, you were trying to claim the globe earth that God had created was created by Satan. I even said you are on very dangerous ground with that one.

Your head being in the sand is something implying you’re not paying attention to reality. I agree with that as you are very insistent on ignoring and ridiculing evidence when it is put to you, including accusing Christian astronauts of lying.

Summarising stuff about you is nothing but summarising things you’ve said yourself. How is that insulting? You said it but you don’t like it being repeated. Well retract it then!

Strong in Him · Saturday at 12:04 PM

Apple Sky said:
I lie,

Sorry, but you have done. Or at least, have adamantly stated something is so, been shown to be wrong and don't have the humility to apologise and correct it.

Apple Sky said:
I've committed the unforgivable sin.

I did not say that you had committed the unforgiveable sin.
I said that if someone attributes something to Satan when it came from God THAT is the unforgiveable sin, as stated in Mark 3.
From memory, you were saying that if we say the earth is a "spinning, bouncing ball", that is the earth that Satan created. Satan did not create anything, GOD created ALL things.

Apple Sky said:
My heads in the sand

With respect, it is.
You are only seeing things your way; only accepting what some other Flat Earthers say and refusing to do the simplest things - e.g, look through a telescope - which would show you why you are mistaken. You don't want to be shown to be mistaken, so you won't do it.

Apple Sky said:
& she is always summarizing stuff about me.

No, sometimes I quote your posts and spend much time in answering them, with Bible references.
And if I've been "summarizing" stuff about you and I've got it wrong, tell me where and why it is wrong.

How is any of that insulting?

Apple Sky · Saturday at 12:46 PM

Strong in Him said:
Question: (which I've asked before) do you take Jesus' words "if you right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away" to be literal?

No

Strong in Him said:
Question: what are NASA "covering up" and why would they need to?

Manipulating data & the murder of 3 astronauts "Gus" Grissom, Edward White and Roger Chaffee. they should come clean about it.

NASA killed Grissom, family says

groups.google.com

tharkun73 · Saturday at 1:10 PM

Apple Sky said:
Manipulating data & the murder of 3 astronauts "Gus" Grissom, Edward White and Roger Chaffee. they should come clean about it.

NASA killed Grissom, family says

groups.google.com

What utter bunk. You'll uncritically swallow anything that's against NASA won't you? The entire argument makes no sense. Why would NASA in an attempt to fake a moon landing kill 3 of it's top astronauts? If it was fake, the astronauts would know it and there would be no risk to them on any level. And, therefore, no reason for NASA to do away with 3 of them.

Strong in Him · Saturday at 2:09 PM

Apple Sky said:
No

Thank you.
I agree.

Apple Sky said:
Manipulating data

What data have they manipulated, and why would they?

Apple Sky said:
& the murder of 3 astronauts "Gus" Grissom, Edward White and Roger Chaffee. they should come clean about it.

NASA killed Grissom, family says

groups.google.com

So NASA selected these men to take part in a space mission, trained them, built the rocket, gave them space suits and all the supplies they would need, then murdered them because they didn't want one of them to be the first man on the moon?
Highly unlikely.
The US was in a race with Russia to get to the moon, why, when they were part of the way there, would they scupper their own mission? They didn't know that Russia wouldn't get there in 1968 and therefore be the first nation on the moon.

Apple Sky · Saturday at 2:48 PM

Strong in Him said:
Thank you.
I agree.

What data have they manipulated, and why would they?

So NASA selected these men to take part in a space mission, trained them, built the rocket, gave them space suits and all the supplies they would need, then murdered them because they didn't want one of them to be the first man on the moon?
Highly unlikely.
The US was in a race with Russia to get to the moon, why, when they were part of the way there, would they scupper their own mission? They didn't know that Russia wouldn't get there in 1968 and therefore be the first nation on the moon.

I'm only going by what I've read;

Scott Grissom told STAR the motive for his father^Òs killing may
have been related to NASA^Òs desire not have his father be the first
man to walk on the moon because of criticism leveled at Grissom
in 1961 after his Gemini capsule, Liberty 7, sunk in the Atlantic.

What did Gus Grissom say before he died
"How are we going to get to the Moon if we can't talk between two or three buildings," then shouted "fire!"

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