Flat Earth question for atheists and christians, just try and answer this

morse86 said:

You can feel a plane/train/car moving. How come you cannot feel the earth rotating?

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What you feel isn't the plane/train/car (PTC) moving but the irregularities that PTC encounters on its journey. If you were in a plane which gave a 100% smooth ride and had 100% perfect sound proofing then it'd be impossible to detect your motion relative to anything else.

morse86 said:

For atheists:
NASA says the earth is spinning and everything is moving with the atmosphere.

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It's not merely NASA that says that. Every physicist on Earth knows that to be true.

morse86 said:

So how come when a plane is moving in the opposite direction in the "atmosphere"....the plane only cruises at 500mph, the earth is spinning 1037mph.......so how can the plane get to it's destination?!?!? Either everything moves with the atmosphere or it doesn't, you cannot have it both ways.

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The atmosphere is at rest relative to the surface of the Earth. When the speed of a plane is given it's specified relative to the rest frame of the atmosphere, i.e. with respect to the surface of the Earth. Therefore when a plane moves its moving relative to the surface of the Earth and that's how it gets to its destination.

morse86 said:

For christians:
The book of revelation states that AFTER the moon and sun has been darkened, the Lord Jesus Christ will come down in the clouds AND EVERY EYE shall see. You will know for sure it is the day of the lord.

So in a round earth, how can people on the other side see Jesus at the same time? In a flat earth, it's simple.

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Obviously it can't so that passage can't be taken to be literally true. It's possible to interpret "World" as the middle East since that's only what most people back in Biblical days knew of.

OldWiseGuy said:

The atmosphere is quite heavy (it's a firmament) and spins along with the earth as if part of the earth.

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AH, but what about helicopters hovering over the Earth while its rotating at 1037 mph???? WHAT ABOUT THAT OLDWISEGUY!!???!??!?!1111/////1/1///1/1/1/////

morse86 said:

So explain this:
NASA says:




If you're in the western part of the US, you're moving around 150mph, if you move slightly east, you're moving around 300mph.

You're telling me we cannot feel a difference of almost 150mph?!?!?!?!?

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No you're telling us you can't read a graph.

morse86 said:

So explain this:
NASA says:




If you're in the western part of the US, you're moving around 150mph, if you move slightly east, you're moving around 300mph.

You're telling me we cannot feel a difference of almost 150mph?!?!?!?!?

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................AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

morse86 said:

For christians:
The book of revelation states that AFTER the moon and sun has been darkened, the Lord Jesus Christ will come down in the clouds AND EVERY EYE shall see. You will know for sure it is the day of the lord.

So in a round earth, how can people on the other side see Jesus at the same time? In a flat earth, it's simple.

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Most Christians don't read the Apocalypse of John literally. Also, Ch. 6 of the Apocalypse which mentions this language of the moon being darkened isn't where we read that every eye shall see Him, that's elsewhere. That's in chapter 1, verse 7 of the Apocalypse, which may be an allusion to Zechariah 12:10.

There are other places where we read about the moon being darkened and the sun turning to blood; originally we read it in the book of the Prophet Joel, we then see Jesus mention it in the Olivet Discourse when talking about the destruction that would befall Jerusalem (which happened in the year 70 by the Romans); the prophecy of Joel is quoted in St. Peter's sermon Pentecost in the 2nd chapter of the Acts. This language of the moon being darkened and the sun turning blood red is apocalyptic language, and wasn't taken literally by St. Peter when he says Joel's prophecy was fulfilled on Pentecost and further Jesus' use of this language to describe the fall of Jerusalem is also indicative of non-literal use as that didn't happen when the Romans sieged the holy city and left the Temple desolate and in ruins.

Further, if you think a round earth is prohibitive of the Parousia and the obviousness of the Parousia when it happens then that seems a problem on your end. The spherical shape of the earth had been a well established fact for centuries by the first century. Any reasonably educated person would have known this. One of the major questions Christians in antiquity and the medieval period did contemplate wouldn't have been the shape and size of the earth (that had long been established) but whether or not there were people in the antipodes (the other side of the planet). Many believed it impossible to cross beyond the heat zone of the southern desert (the Saharan and Arabian deserts) or cross the great seat (the Atlantic). Turns out, you can cross the desert and people live there, and it also turned out that there were two big ol' continents in the way if you sailed west--which is why Columbus didn't didn't die or have his crew mutiny (Columbus believed the earth was much smaller than the accepted figure, and thus was convinced he could reach India easier than otherwise possible--without the Americas, Columbus would be little more than a failed footnote in history)

-CryptoLutheran

Strathos said:

Here, I'll field this one.

Jesus is God.

If everyone on earth had a blindfold on and was buried 1000 meters underground when He returned, He could still make them all see Him if He wanted to. Probably via a direct spiritual vision or some other such method.

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I think it's much simpler than that kind of speculation. A basic idea concerning the Parousia is that it'll be obvious. And that's really all such language needs to mean.

-CryptoLutheran

pgp_protector said:

No you're telling us you can't read a graph.

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Just to help out. The actual graph is that parabola-looking black line there. They just put a map behind the graphic to confuse you.

morse86 said:

You're telling me we cannot feel a difference of almost 150mph?!?!?!?!?

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Take a ball, spin the ball.

Tell us if you notice any differences between the very top and bottom of the ball versus the ball's "equator".

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

I think it's much simpler than that kind of speculation. A basic idea concerning the Parousia is that it'll be obvious. And that's really all such language needs to mean.

-CryptoLutheran

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Sure, I can understand that interpretation.

morse86 said:

If you're in the western part of the US, you're moving around 150mph, if you move slightly east, you're moving around 300mph.

You're telling me we cannot feel a difference of almost 150mph?!?!?!?!?

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Force = mass times acceleration, not mass times velocity. If the earth wasn't spinning and then suddenly accelerated to 1000 mph in a second, you would feel that force because your acceleration would be 447.04 meters per second squared

morse86 said:

If you're in the western part of the US, you're moving around 150mph, if you move slightly east, you're moving around 300mph.

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That's quite untrue. Especially since you're not stating with what that speed is relative to.

morse86 said:

You're telling me we cannot feel a difference of almost 150mph?!?!?!?!?

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Please forgive me for saying so (I don't wish to appear rude whatsoever) but you don't appear to understand something very important about physics that any physicist learned as a freshman and knows like the back of their hand. And that's the fact that it's impossible to determine how fast you're moving relative to something else unless you were to measure the relative velocity. And you certainly can't tell whether you're moving relative to the Earth's surface. It simply cannot be "felt". What exactly is it that you think that you'd "feel"? It appears that you're confusing acceleration with velocity.

What is all of this about anyway? Do you actually believe that the Earth is flat? It's demonstrably true that taking measurements between points on the surface of the Earth that it can be deduced that the surface of the Earth is very close to being the surface of a sphere. It's also clear that the Earth isn't flat because at the same time of the night different people at different locations on Earth will be looking at the same stars at different locations in the sky. If the Earth was flat then that wouldn't be true. E.g. if a man at the South Pole was looking straight up he would see a different star or star field then a different man at the North Pole who's also looking straight up. However if the Earth was flat then they'd be looking at the same star. This is true because the nearest star is about 4 light years away so two people at two different locations on a flat surface would see the same start when they looked straight up.

pmb said:

What is all of this about anyway? Do you actually believe that the Earth is flat?

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Yes he does. He also believes nuclear technology and genetic manipulation are hoaxes, no one has ever been to outer space, the stars are lights embedded in a solid firmament not that far away from earth, etc.

morse86 said:

You can feel a plane/train/car moving. How come you cannot feel the earth rotating?

How come a helicopter can hover at the same spot without moving with the earth??!?!?

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Many times you can't. I've lost myself in a book or a movie on a plane and forgot that I was moving. I think it has something to do with the fact that the earth is really big and we are really small. You can actually get a sense of the rotation of the Earth by watching the sunrise or the moon rise. It takes a lot of concentration.

As far as the helicopter I don't know. Maybe a physicist will chime in.

Can we just declare Morse86 as a Poe now?

Aureus said:

Can we just declare Morse86 as a Poe now?

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He's very persistent if he is.

Shemjaza said:

He's very persistent if he is.

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We have a far more persistent and obvious Poe on here than morse. Persistence does not mean he is legitimate.

morse86 said:

...For christians:
The book of revelation states that AFTER the moon and sun has been darkened, the Lord Jesus Christ will come down in the clouds AND EVERY EYE shall see. You will know for sure it is the day of the lord.

So in a round earth, how can people on the other side see Jesus at the same time? In a flat earth, it's simple.

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You're forgetting about the other three corners of the cubic day. Just allow your navel to connect you to all four corners of the day, and you'll be fine.