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If I am telling the truth, how am I either dodging questions or insulting anyone?
You make accusations which put two members here in a very bad light, and then when asked for proof, you can't be bothered to offer it?
What bad light? I've just been informally judging the debate, that's all. There's always a winner and loser in a debate--rarely is it judged a draw. Old debate coach and judge here. Sorry.
Glad you're retired.
Putting forth straw men, as what has transpired here, isn't debate.
Seems about right.You make accusations which put two members here in a very bad light, and then when asked for proof, you can't be bothered to offer it?
You should be able to track down one of your own posts. That can't be too difficult.Every time I have asked a specific question I am either presented with a non answer, a link to scripture that does not address the question, or get some version of the I don't understand so I am not qualified to participate answer.
By quoting me and insulting two members?I'm retired? Hmmm. Didn't know that. Sorry if I offended. It was not my intent. My intent actually was to encourage a member who I thought was doing a really good job in his/her position on a somewhat complex topic.
You should be able to track down one of your own posts. That can't be too difficult.
By quoting me and insulting two members?
That's actually one I struggle with because I can't find an emotionally satisfying answer. Biblically it's to show His glory through His wrath. But then I ask, why not me? But in the end I have to go with what scripture says.No it wouldn't be too difficult but I prefer to use the last couple of pages of the thread as an adequate example.
One question though that I would still like a logical answer for, in your or jimmyjimmy's own words--not a cut and paste, not a link, not quotation of scripture:
If those who are called were called before the beginning of the world, and others are unable to join the party, why did a loving God create the 'others' in the first place? Why were they allowed to be born? What is their purpose?
I'm retired? Hmmm. Didn't know that. Sorry if I offended. It was not my intent. My intent actually was to encourage a member who I thought was doing a really good job in his/her position on a somewhat complex topic.
If those who are called were called before the beginning of the world, and others are unable to join the party, why did a loving God create the 'others' in the first place? Why were they allowed to be born? What is their purpose?
That's actually one I struggle with because I can't find an emotionally satisfying answer. Biblically it's to show His glory through His wrath. But then I ask, why not me? But in the end I have to go with what scripture says.
You said that I was dodging questions and insulting someone.
Is it OK for a Christian to say such a thing without proof? Do you understand what bearing false witness is?
Doing a good job is a debate means representing your opponents position weak, first and foremost, because unless you do that, you haven't won a debate. You've defeated a straw man.
I have not, and would not dodge any honest question regarding my position of Reformed theology, nor would I insult anyone, other than some banter, or sarcasm. Even Christ used sarcasm to make a point.
I am sure you believe that. The perception however is somewhat different as you have dodged my question to you and did it again in Post #312. But I have no intention of quarreling with you and again apologize for offending and will wish you a pleasant evening.
Then your issue is with scripture, not with Reformed Theology.And it simply doesn't compute with me.
The Lord I know, the Lord I have a relationship with, the Holy Spirit who leads me, loves you as an adopted son, loves jimmyjimmy as an adopted son, loves me, and I believe does not will that any should perish but all should come to him. And that is why I can't accept the Calvinist doctrine on that point even though I was a staunch member and teacher in a Calvinist denomination all during college and have intermittently worshipped with Calvinists now and then. Fortunately I was not required to teach that particular point of doctrine because I wouldn't have been able to do it.
Anyway I apologize again for having offended. I did not intend to do so. And thank you for answering the question. I accept it as your belief and will wish you a pleasant evening.
Then your issue is with scripture, not with Reformed Theology.
Well, it might be clear to you. I cannot argue against your impressions. But your view simply isn't biblical.As if the two have not been presented as one and the same?
My quarrel isn't with Scripture because in its full context I believe it is quite clear that the scriptures acknowledges that many do not know the Lord, but it is also clear, to me, that the Lord loves all and does not wish for any to perish but wants all to be saved. I can't believe anybody is born who is beyond redemption. So we can amicably agree to disagree on that one.
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