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Five Kinds of Knowledge

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A professor of mine devoted a class to the discussion of the five different ways of obtaining knowledge. I found his arguments interesting, and I agreed with everything he said. Here's a summary of what he said.

1. Tradition -
As we grow up, we pick up certain things from our environment, especially our families. These traditions govern the way we react to certain situations. Sometimes we don't even realize these traditions are there until we run into some kind of conflict.

For example, some families are very expressive of their feelings, while other families don't talk about their feelings at all. When people from these two families meet, there can be trouble. One will try to express themselves by their actions, the other by their words, and neither one can understand the other.

A darker side of tradition can be seen in abuse. Often those who grow up in an abusive environment will learn three things: (1) don't tell anyone what's really going on. (2) Don't trust anyone. (3) Don't let yourself feel. These traditions help them to survive in these troubling circumstances, but they can seriously hinder a person after they're no longer in that environment.
2. Authority
Everyone looks to someone else as their source of reliable information concerning their own understanding of the world. This source could be a priest, a teacher, a TV celebrity, someone who wrote a book, or a variety of other things.

Of course, it's not easy knowing who we can trust. Anyone of them could lead us in the wrong direction and possibly destroy our trust. Others may be so blinded that they will continue to trust no matter what anyone else says.
3. Logical Reasoning
This is the tendency we have to try to make sense of the world using our own logic. Often times, rather than testing our own beliefs, we will instead attempt to build up some kind of justification for the reason we think the way we do.

Unfortunately, this method has flaws. First, anyone can come up with some reason to believe that their way of thinking is correct, it doesn't matter how true or wrong that belief is.

Second, not everything can be understood by logic alone. Many things in life are illogical. Take relationships as an example. If you try to apply your logic to the people around you, you will make some serious mistakes. People are illogical, they have emotions, and they do things that don't make sense.

Logic is a very cold way of viewing the world, because it discredits emotion.
4. Intuition
This is the feeling one has in the gut that tells them to do something. The person who has this gut feeling may not be able to explain the reason why they feel they do, but this does not mean that there isn't a reason.

For some people, intuition tends to lead them to countless bad decisions. But for others, their intuition almost always seems to lead them in the right direction.

The weakness of intuition is that it cannot be verified. If you can't explain why you feel the way you do, then others cannot know whether or not to trust that feeling of yours.
5. The Scientific Method
We all know what the scientific method is. Science takes what is observable (sensory), measurable, and repeatable, and they study it to achieve some understanding of the world.

The positive side to the scientific method is that it is objective (at least hopefully), and seeks to remove bias as much as possible. This makes the information gained very reliable.

However, like the other four ways of obtaining knowledge, the scientific method had its weaknesses. Much of reality is not observable by the senses, it's unable to be measured, and it's unrepeatable.

Take love as an example. Can we put love in a test tube? Can we see, taste, smell, hear, or touch love? No, we can't. But we can take the observable manifestations of love and study that. What's the problem with that? Well, for one, we can take a couple of actors to give a very good impression of everything we can observe from two people in love, and we can't tell the difference.

A second problem with the scientific method is that it distorts reality through a process called reduction. Reduction is when you take something big which cannot be studied, and you reduce it to a simplified form which can be studied. Sometimes, this is the best science can do, but it leads to imperfect, and possibly misleading results.

What about one-time events? If you can't repeat an event, you cannot study it, but does that make the event any less real?

Many people trust science like a religion, rejecting the other four forms of knowledge. To them, the word "unscientific" is a dirty word. Anything unscientific isn't worth learning about. These individuals like to try to make people of religious faith to feel stupid and ignorant for believing in something they can't prove scientifically to be real.

Recently, scientists have discovered a substance called dark matter, which they believe to fill more space in the universe than non-dark matter. The problem is, dark matter is by nature unobservable. We know it's there because certain things just don't seem to make sense without it, but science cannot touch it. And this drives scientists crazy.

Another problem with science is that the conclusions drawn from it often reverse themselves. Often times, technological advances are to blame for this, as they give us new ways of observing the world that were unavailable in the past.

Back in the 1970's, there was a sudden shortage in the fossil fuels Americans relied on for transportation. At this time, some of the smartest people in the world of various specialties gathered together to attempt to predict how long it will be until all the world's supply of fossil fuels would be used up. They predicted it would all be gone in twenty years (1990).

Obviously, that didn't happen. And now, new scientific data suggests that we will never run dry on the stuff.

Scientists used to believe that babies could not think, and that they were basically vegetables until two months of age. Now science suggests that babies are capable of thought even in the womb.
The point of all this is simple: all five forms of knowledge have their strengths and weaknesses. Relying solely on any one type of knowledge can lead to problems.

Each form is much like a tool, like a hammer or a screw driver. Each has its uses, but it would be foolish to try to apply any one tool for every situation.


Like I said, I very much agree with everything my professor said. But I think it might be possible to expand on this by adding new categories of knowledge. One that doesn't seem to fit in any of these would be personal experience. Through life, we experience things which give us new ways of thinking about the world, and possibly challenge our previous ideas.
 
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A professor of mine devoted a class to the discussion of the five different ways of obtaining knowledge. I found his arguments interesting, and I agreed with everything he said. Here's a summary of what he said.

1. Tradition -
As we grow up, we pick up certain things from our environment, especially our families. These traditions govern the way we react to certain situations. Sometimes we don't even realize these traditions are there until we run into some kind of conflict.

For example, some families are very expressive of their feelings, while other families don't talk about their feelings at all. When people from these two families meet, there can be trouble. One will try to express themselves by their actions, the other by their words, and neither one can understand the other.

A darker side of tradition can be seen in abuse. Often those who grow up in an abusive environment will learn three things: (1) don't tell anyone what's really going on. (2) Don't trust anyone. (3) Don't let yourself feel. These traditions help them to survive in these troubling circumstances, but they can seriously hinder a person after their no longer in that environment.
2. Authority
Everyone looks to someone else as their source of reliable information concerning their own understanding of the world. This source could be a priest, a teacher, a TV celebrity, someone who wrote a book, or a variety of other things.

Of course, it's not easy knowing who we can trust. Anyone of them could lead us in the wrong direction and possibly destroy our trust. Others may be so blinded that they will continue to trust no matter what anyone else says.
3. Logical Reasoning
This is the tendency we have to try to make sense of the world using our own logic. Often times, rather than testing our own beliefs, we will instead attempt to build up some kind of justification for the reason we think the way we do.

Unfortunately, this method has flaws. First, anyone can come up with some reason to believe that their way of thinking is correct, it doesn't matter how true or wrong that belief is.

Second, not everything can be understood by logic alone. Many things in life are illogical. Take relationships as an example. If you try to apply your logic to the people around you, you will make some serious mistakes. People are illogical, they have emotions, and they do things that don't make sense.

Logic is a very cold way of viewing the world, because it discredits emotion.
4. Intuition
This is the feeling one has in the gut that tells them to do something. The person who has this gut feeling may not be able to explain the reason why they feel they do, but this does not mean that there isn't a reason.

For some people, intuition tends to lead them to countless bad decisions. But for others, their intuition almost always seems to lead them in the right direction.

The weakness of intuition is that it cannot be verified. If you can't explain why you feel the way you do, then others cannot know whether or not to trust that feeling of yours.
5. The Scientific Method
We all know what the scientific method is. Science takes what is observable (sensory), measurable, and repeatable, and they study it to achieve some understanding of the world.

The positive side to the scientific method is that it is objective (at least hopefully), and seeks to remove bias as much as possible. This makes the information gained very reliable.

However, like the other four ways of obtaining knowledge, the scientific method had its weaknesses. Much of reality is not observable by the senses, it's unable to be measured, and it's unrepeatable.

Take love as an example. Can we put love in a test tube? Can we see, taste, smell, hear, or touch love? No, we can't. But we can take the observable manifestations of love and study that. What's the problem with that? Well, for one, we can take a couple of actors to give a very good impression of everything we can observe from two people in love, and we can't tell the difference.

A second problem with the scientific method is that it distorts reality through a process called reduction. Reduction is when you take something big which cannot be studied, and you reduce it to a simplified form which can be studied. Sometimes, this is the best science can do, but it leads to imperfect, and possibly misleading results.

What about one-time events? If you can't repeat an event, you cannot study it, but does that make the event any less real?

Many people trust science like a religion, rejecting the other four forms of knowledge. To them, the word "unscientific" is a dirty word. Anything unscientific isn't worth learning about. These individuals like to try to make people of religious faith to feel stupid and ignorant for believing in something they can't prove scientifically to be real.

Recently, scientists have discovered a substance called dark matter, which they believe to fill more space in the universe than non-dark matter. The problem is, dark matter is by nature unobservable. We know it's there because certain things just don't seem to make sense without it, but science cannot touch it. And this drives scientists crazy.

Another problem with science is that the conclusions drawn from it often reverse themselves. Often times, technological advances are to blame for this, as they give us new ways of observing the world that were unavailable in the past.

Back in the 1970's, there was a sudden shortage in the fossil fuels American's relied on for transportation. At this time, some of the smartest people in the world of various specialties gathered together to attempt to predict how long it will be until all the world's supplies of fossil fuels will be used up. They predicted it would all be gone by in twenty years (1990).

Obviously, that didn't happen. And now, new scientific data suggests that we will never run dry on the stuff.

Scientists used to believe that babies could not think, and that they were basically vegetables until two months of age. Now science suggests that babies are capable of thought even in the womb.
The point of all this is simple: all five forms of knowledge have their strengths and weaknesses. Relying solely on any one type of knowledge can lead to problems.

Each form is much like a tool, like a hammer or a screw driver. Each has its uses, but it would be foolish trying to apply any one tool in every situation.


Like I said, I very much agree with everything my professor said. But I think it might be possible to expand on this by adding new categories of knowledge. One that doesn't seem to fit in any of these would be personal experience. Through life, we experience things which give us new ways of thinking about the world, and possibly challenge our previous ideas.
...and for processing your experiences you have to use one of the above listed tools.
 
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The fact or state of knowing; the perception of fact or truth; clear and certain mental apprehension.

Really, what I'm speaking about are the five ways of obtaining knowledge, but it's faster to call it the five kinds of knowledge.

Although one might be able to argue that the knowledge gained through logical reasoning is different from the kind obtained through intuition.
 
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The fact or state of knowing; the perception of fact or truth; clear and certain mental apprehension.
That's a begged question if I've ever seen one. Plato said knowledge was justified true belief (I think). Does that work?

Really, what I'm speaking about are the five ways of obtaining knowledge, but it's faster to call it the five kinds of knowledge.

Although one might be able to argue that the knowledge gained through logical reasoning is different from the kind obtained through intuition.

Also, tradition doesn't sit quite right. As presented here, it sounds more like you're describing habits picked up from others. The problem is that habits aren't knowledge, they're just something we do.
 
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That's a begged question if I've ever seen one. Plato said knowledge was justified true belief (I think). Does that work?
IIRC it was discussed by Plato but he had Socrates reject the idea in exchange for the intuitionist (?) theory of forms, but certain influential philosophers after Plato have regarded the rejected theory as the better one.

Also, tradition doesn't sit quite right. As presented here, it sounds more like you're describing habits picked up from others. The problem is that habits aren't knowledge, they're just something we do.
I am not 100%. Consider the traditional belief that working class families are better served by left wing politicians. A child may learn to believe this on his parent's say so, which is an argument from presumed authority.
 
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No IMHO logic is a the science of arguments and inference, which is a useful and necessary tool to science, but there are aspect and tools for science of science e.g bunsen burners, repeatability, assumption of uniformity of nature and perhaps empirical reliability, applied mathematics, theory formation etc that do not conventionally fall under "logic".
 
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Heh.

I think we should throw out bunsen burners in your rebuttal. That physical tools are extraordinarily irrelevant should be self-evident. Should we list pencils, pens, paper and logic software as the tools for logic?

I'm more interested in the processes. Science is a logical process. Theory creation relies on logic. Hypothesis testing relies on logic. Mathematics IS logic. Repeatability IS logic.

I'd like to avoid going into a huge speech on this if I can, but I will say that science is a logical process that creates arguments and then tests them using the same methodology that logicians use to test their arguments. It's not always spoken of in so formal a way, but it's the case.
 
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That's a begged question if I've ever seen one. Plato said knowledge was justified true belief (I think). Does that work?

That definition was a direct quote from Dictionary.com.

Yes, when we speak of immaterial concepts like knowledge, anyone can define them almost anyway they want.

The definition we're dealing with here is probably something like this: The beliefs one holds about reality, whether it be true or false. Here we have true knowledge, untrue knowledge, and a lot of gray area.

Also, tradition doesn't sit quite right. As presented here, it sounds more like you're describing habits picked up from others. The problem is that habits aren't knowledge, they're just something we do.

I am not 100%. Consider the traditional belief that working class families are better served by left wing politicians. A child may learn to believe this on his parent's say so, which is an argument from presumed authority.

Tradition is more concerned with the deep part of ourselves, rooted in the personal beliefs one has picked up from their upbringing. It continues to exist even when we no longer look to our parents as infallible authority figures.

In the OP, I mentioned the example of two types of upbringings, one which shows its emotion through words, and the other through action. Say one from each family becomes married. What they soon discover (if they are attentive enough) is that they both have different love languages.

One thinks he can show his love the other by showing consideration for the them in the things they do. They other would likely feel unloved no matter how hard he tries to please her, because he never says the words "I love you."

Their ideas, their knowledge of how to show their emotion are different because of their backgrounds. Their habits, then, are the results of that accumulated knowledge.

Heh.

I think we should throw out bunsen burners in your rebuttal. That physical tools are extraordinarily irrelevant should be self-evident. Should we list pencils, pens, paper and logic software as the tools for logic?

I'm more interested in the processes. Science is a logical process. Theory creation relies on logic. Hypothesis testing relies on logic. Mathematics IS logic. Repeatability IS logic.

I'd like to avoid going into a huge speech on this if I can, but I will say that science is a logical process that creates arguments and then tests them using the same methodology that logicians use to test their arguments. It's not always spoken of in so formal a way, but it's the case.

Logic and science are related, but they are independent of one another. Science is not just a by-product of logic. In some cases, the results of scientific study may seem illogical. In this case, logic and science would be in conflict.

Good science dictates that the data is reported as it's found, without bias. But that voice inside your head will tell you, "Wait. This can't be right. This doesn't make any sense. There must have been a mistake."
 
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What was listed is ways of seeking knowledge and of the five: Tradition, intuition and authority do not get us to truth because claims citing any of the three are logical fallacies.

Tradition in that if we do something we have always done we may expect similar results is actually just a crude scientific method. Intuition is just short form reasoning which is a mash of feelings and experiences. Authority without justification from some sort of evidence and reasoning doesn't lead us to knowledge at all.

Logical reasoning and scientific reasoning are both logically based. The difference is whether we are mainly using deduction or induction, inference or evidence.

So, reasoning, experience and testing is the only way to approach truth or knowledge.
 
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What was listed is ways of seeking knowledge and of the five: Tradition, intuition and authority do not get us to truth because claims citing any of the three are logical fallacies.
What about intuitions like fear of heights, or first impressions of people?
 
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As for "logic = science" why is biology not regarded as a branch of logic?


Hey what's your logic course involve?
Well first we are dissecting a frog, then doing a 3 week course on DNA.
Doesn't sound right to me.

Probably you can pass a dgree in biology or even physics without even knowing what a syllogism is.
 
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It seems to me that those are five ways of obtaining convictions, not five ways of obtaining knowledge.

Anyway, I have to quibble with this:

Logic is a very cold way of viewing the world, because it discredits emotion.

This person has watched too much Star Trek. Logic doesn't discredit emotion. It simply understands that emotion has its role to play, and may not legitimately exceed that role. A logical person may very well accept that "intution", for instance, could lead to a correct observation, but would require that it has more backing than feelings to be considered knowledge, as opposed to a hunch.


eudaimonia,

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What about intuitions like fear of heights,
...and what about intuitions like fear of spiders, mice, small rooms, big rooms?

I suspect that for to tell an intuition from an unreasonable fear we use logic and ratio.
or first impressions of people?
They are prejudices, and as such can be taken into consideration when trying to find out more about those people. We´ve got to be aware that they are prejudices, though.
 
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As for "logic = science" why is biology not regarded as a branch of logic?


Hey what's your logic course involve?
Well first we are dissecting a frog, then doing a 3 week course on DNA.
Doesn't sound right to me.

Probably you can pass a dgree in biology or even physics without even knowing what a syllogism is.
As long as you aren´t going to draw a conclusion or develop a theory...
 
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I'm about to head off to class, but I'll address a few replies real quick.

It seems to me that those are five ways of obtaining convictions, not five ways of obtaining knowledge.

Anyway, I have to quibble with this:

Logic is a very cold way of viewing the world, because it discredits emotion.

This person has watched too much Star Trek. Logic doesn't discredit emotion. It simply understands that emotion has its role to play, and may not legitimately exceed that role. A logical person may very well accept that "intution", for instance, could lead to a correct observation, but would require that it has more backing than feelings to be considered knowledge, as opposed to a hunch.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Someone who relies 100% on logical reasoning cannot understand emotion, and they cannot accept intuition.

Logic cannot help you to understand emotion, and logical thinkers do not like the notion of intuition, because they cannot analyze it.

Fortunately, most people do not rely 100% on anything, so you can have a logical thinker who does not have these problems.

I know for myself, I rely heavily on logic, and I do have problems dealing with peoples' emotions sometimes. I don't rely much on intuition because it doesn't get me anywhere, but tradition is important to me.

As for science, I will take into account what research tells us, but I don't like to rely on it. Also, I find it hard to get along with people who are science-reliant.

...and what about intuitions like fear of spiders, mice, small rooms, big rooms?

The fear of spiders is a good fear, so long as it's not out of control. Mice carry diseases, small rooms limit one's movement, and big empty rooms make a person stand out (vulnerable). They each can have a use, but can also be detrimental.

I suspect that for to tell an intuition from an unreasonable fear we use logic and ratio.

True, intuition and logic could be used together in some instances, but very rarely, if ever, do they agree.

They are prejudices, and as such can be taken into consideration when trying to find out more about those people. We´ve got to be aware that they are prejudices, though.

Prejudices can actually have positive consequences in some cases. Usually, prejudices exist for a reason.

When a young white lady sees a big black man walking behind her on a dark night, with his hands in his pockets, she'll probably feel frightened. Why? Well, likely he's bigger and stronger than she is, she doesn't know what he might be carrying in his pockets, and while all black men do not engage in illegal activity, they tend to be convicted of violent crimes more frequently.

First impressions can also give one very good insight on another's personality. People I've never met will often notice things about me that others who have known me longer might not have ever notice.

I see first impressions as a good guide for starting a relationship, but they are meant to be temporary, eventually replaced by familiarity of the person due to experience.
 
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