Fish Oil And Depression

[Received]

Newer research is really shedding light on how we're nutritionally deficient in one very important area: omega 3. Omega 3's contrast with omega 6's, which consist of fat and grains, whereas O3's consist of fish and leafy greens. The ideal ratio is 1:1 for O3:O6, but the average American diet is around 1:16.

One of the easiest treatments for depression is getting on a good dose (2000-3000 mg) of fish oil high in EPA and DHA (the omega 3 part). You want the ratio to be as close to 2:1 EPA to DHA as possible, but the most I've been able to find is 3:2, with, e.g., 360 mg EPA and 240 DHA.

Fish oil replenishes cells in the brain, particularly (I think) glial cells, which "cushion" neurons (and do other important things). I've recommend this to a few clients, and the ones who have tried have at least noticed a sharpening of mood and cognition, and two have mentioned dramatic changes in how they feel.

The point here isn't quackery at all. We're not eating like we should be, and the body very much affects the soul. If you really want to get the advantage, in addition to taking 2-3k mg of fish oil with the EPA: DHA ratio mentioned above, try lowering your omega 6 foods. Give it a month and you might feel like a completely different person, and at the very least the volume of your depression will get turned down when your depression gets activated.

"Well, there's no way this could help my depression." And that's your depression speaking.

Just presenting research here, not recommendations.

 

[Receiver]

This guy gives an international perspective (15:30 onwards)

 

[Received]

Good stuff!

 

[Received]

I see you and raise you:

Depression as an inflammatory illness:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZPTYLdLceM

 

[Receiver]

I believe nutrition can alleviate the symptoms but cure is to see your life differenlty. Best is to get the vision God wants to give by being born again (Acts 2:4, John 3:8), then becoming as a child with a new Father (God) daily.

 

[Received]

Somewhat agree. Depression is triggered by thoughts and activated beliefs, but the ammunition of depression -- how powerful it will be when it's triggered -- is all about the stuff Ilardi is talking about. Nutrition (omega 3:6 ratio, sugar), exercise, sunlight, social interaction, and sleep. All with research to support it.

 

[Jeshu]

I found fish oil to really help with my anger issues and it gave me more clarity of mind and energy but it didn't stop depression nor psychosis, though it lessened their intensity a lot.

The problem with fish oil is that it interacted with my medications in a really bad way - so that it landed me in hospital - so I can't take it any more.

I found that my thoughts and attitudes were the biggest triggers of depression. Actively seeking after God's good life conquered more of my bad life than anything else I have tried.

Faith in God's loving truth along with good medications basically got me back on my feet again.

 

[Received]

Thoughts and attitudes are the only triggers for depression or any other mood. Fish oil effectively reduces the size of the ammunition that's triggered.

Were you on blood thinners?

That's the only bad thing about consuming omega 3s: your blood gets thin.

Which works well for me, because I religiously take my fish oil, but also take testosterone cypionate.

 

[Jeshu]

Thoughts and attitudes are the only triggers for depression or any other mood. Fish oil effectively reduces the size of the ammunition that's triggered.

Were you on blood thinners?

That's the only bad thing about consuming omega 3s: your blood gets thin.

Which works well for me, because I religiously take my fish oil, but also take testosterone cypionate.

No after my last psychosis they put me on Tegretol and Haroperidol, the doctors weren't completely sure which one kicked off the reaction with the fish oil but suspect Tegretol. I was very sick I do know that.

 

[Received]

Could it have been an interaction between Tegretol and Haroperidol instead of an interaction between either and fish oil?

 

[Jeshu]

Could it have been an interaction between Tegretol and Haroperidol instead of an interaction between either and fish oil?

Yes that is what the doctors thought at first. They took me of my medications in hospital and slowly introduced first one and then the other back again without any problems. But when I came out of hospital I took my medications again with my fish oil and the same problems came back again within minutes of taking the fish oil.

Boy was I sick! :o:o:o

When I stopped taking the fish oil I've had no problems any more apart of once when I took a vitamin tablet with fish oil in it, I didn't realise it had fish oil in it, I became very sick again from that tablet. So I'm certain that fish oil interacts with my medications and I haven't taken it again.

 

[Received]

So there was no time there where you took fish oil all by itself?

 

[Received]

Incredible article on depression and inflammation:

BMC Medicine | Full text | So depression is an inflammatory disease, but where does the inflammation come from?

 

[J0SHUA]

It's good to see you Received. Thank you for this I'm going to start taking fish oil and a B vitamin complex daily.

 

[Jeshu]

So there was no time there where you took fish oil all by itself?

Yes I did for about 12 months. I found that I had more energy, far less aggression and more clarity. It did lessen the depression but didn't stop it neither did it help against psychosis. The doctors put me back on meds after a major psychosis that is when the trouble with the fish oil started.

 

[Received]

Cool, Jeshu. Too bad you couldn't continue. You know there are alternatives with high Omega-3s, such as flax seeds you could try.

 

[Received]

Note: just went through some info by Ilardi again, and apparently people who were treated for depression with fish oil were taking upward of 1000 mg of EPA (with attendant DHA) per day, which really ups the overall amount of fish oil you should be taking. This means it's extra important to talk with your doc about taking this much (you should receive a therapeutic dose to some degree if you were to take the usual recommended dose) given Omega-3's blood thinning effects.

 

[Received]

It's good to see you Received. Thank you for this I'm going to start taking fish oil and a B vitamin complex daily.

Good to hear, Josh!