Female Circumcision

[Pike]

Do you think it is torture or cultural??

 

[daughterofzion]

Both, and not God inspired whatsoever.

 

[NOSELF]

I think it is both as well. I think it is a practice contrived by, performed by and supported by masagonists. I think it is evil, and must be stopped.

 

[kopilo]

I have seen first hand pictures, does effect a females sexuality, looks to be one of the most painful things, sends a headache to my mind and chills my bones everytime I read about it (and this is coming from a males perspective), I'm sure there are far more cultural things then mutilating genitalia.

 

[Mirelys]

It is torture. Not everything that is cultural should be protected or kept.

 

[Thirst_For_Knowledge]

It's hard to say. It seems barbaric to me, but I'm in a different culture.

At the same time, you should see how other cultures think we are barbaric for circumcising our males.

 

[Wiffey]

There is a world of difference between male and female circumcision. Male circumcision is done in a hospital (now it is usually done a day after birth, with anesthetics) and does not impair male sexual functioning as an adult.

Female circumcision is done without anesthesia, often with crude, unsterilized tools. It is horrifically painful, and dangerous as there is great risk of infection. Its purpose is to render females unable to derive physical pleasure from sex, and thereby ensure chastity. Depending on the culture where it is done, it is done in early childhood to adolescence...the female is fully awake and sensate while she is being tortured and mutilated. Depending on the culture, either the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] is removed , or, in more extreme cases, the entire external female genitalia, then the remaining opening is sewn up. A small hole is left for bodily fluids to pass. When the girl is married the husband opens the area with a knife on their wedding night. For these women, sex will always be painful, and the tearing of scar tissue during childbirth sometimes leads to infection and death.

There are some cultural practices which are unjustifiable. When children are being mutilated against their will, for no purpose other than to cripple a basic human function (sex), we cannot sit idly by. This is unspeakably evil.

 

[kopilo]

It's hard to say. It seems barbaric to me, but I'm in a different culture.

At the same time, you should see how other cultures think we are barbaric for circumcising our males.

I guess that depends where you are.. There are apperntly some medical reasons for male circumcision..
here are some stats: http://www.cirp.org/library/statistics/http://www.cirp.org/library/statistics/

Unless you are jewish I would find it hard to claim it is something cultural (well in Australia, Canada and UK) when the rate of recorded circumsions seems to be around 12%..

 

[Thirst_For_Knowledge]

There is a world of difference between male and female circumcision. Male circumcision is done in a hospital (now it is usually done a day after birth, with anesthetics) and does not impair male sexual functioning as an adult.

Female circumcision is done without anesthesia, often with crude, unsterilized tools. It is horrifically painful, and dangerous as there is great risk of infection. Its purpose is to render females unable to derive physical pleasure from sex, and thereby ensure chastity. Depending on the culture where it is done, it is done in early childhood to adolescence...the female is fully awake and sensate while she is being tortured and mutilated. Depending on the culture, either the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] is removed , or, in more extreme cases, the entire external female genitalia, then the remaining opening is sewn up. A small hole is left for bodily fluids to pass. When the girl is married the husband opens the area with a knife on their wedding night. For these women, sex will always be painful, and the tearing of scar tissue during childbirth sometimes leads to infection and death.

There are some cultural practices which are unjustifiable. When children are being mutilated against their will, for no purpose other than to cripple a basic human function (sex), we cannot sit idly by. This is unspeakably evil.

You see a world of differences, but other cultures don't. See the problem when one views something from within the culture and from without the culture?

People from outside our culture view male circumcision as an unneeded risk that no longer has any benefits. You view it as normal, because our culture accepts it as normal.

I'm not making any judgement on male circumcision, saying that it is good or bad. I'm simply using it as an example of how culture dictates thinking.

 

[Thirst_For_Knowledge]

I guess that depends where you are.. There are apperntly some medical reasons for male circumcision..
here are some stats: http://www.cirp.org/library/statistics/

Unless you are jewish I would find it hard to claim it is something cultural (well in Australia, Canada and UK) when the rate of recorded circumsions seems to be around 12%..

The rate in the US is much higher. If it is not cultural here, then what is it? I was taught in my sex class that there really aren't any benefits for it. That oculd be wrong, but I was taught that it is no long a needed surgery, and the few small benefits from it are great outweighed by the risk.

http://www.circumcision.org/benefits.htm

So, with that in mind, what is the reason so many people in the US have circumcision?

 

[kopilo]

Female circumcision is done without anesthesia, often with crude, unsterilized tools. It is horrifically painful, and dangerous as there is great risk of infection.

Even when it is done with sterilised medical equipement.. it is still horrific enough for someone to lose their lunch over.

 

[Wiffey]

FWIW, although I do see a difference between male & female circumcision, I still think that any uneeded elective surgical procedure (even with anesthesia and the best possible medical care) should not be done without the consent of the person on whom the procedure is being done. I'd prefer to just wait and let the child decide when they are old enough to know what they are doing and give consent.

I still believe there can be NO justification for mutilating a child (even if the procedure was done in the hospital with anesthesia). It may not be politically correct to say that this "cultural practice" should be abolished, but to me PC ends when you cross the line and excuse violence against children and mutilating people. If adults decide for themselves (without irresistible societal pressure) to have this cultural practice done to themselves once they are old enough to grant full informed consent...then as repugnant as I find the practice, it is their business. But no adult, not even a parent, IMO, has the right to decide to irreversibly mutilate any child.

 

[cobaltburrito]

FWIW, although I do see a difference between male & female circumcision, I still think that any uneeded elective surgical procedure (even with anesthesia and the best possible medical care) should not be done without the consent of the person on whom the procedure is being done. I'd prefer to just wait and let the child decide when they are old enough to know what they are doing and give consent.

I still believe there can be NO justification for mutilating a child (even if the procedure was done in the hospital with anesthesia). It may not be politically correct to say that this "cultural practice" should be abolished, but to me PC ends when you cross the line and excuse violence against children and mutilating people. If adults decide for themselves (without irresistible societal pressure) to have this cultural practice done to themselves once they are old enough to grant full informed consent...then as repugnant as I find the practice, it is their business. But no adult, not even a parent, IMO, has the right to decide to irreversibly mutilate any child.

Of course, you are correct. But the great and wonderful government in America awards hardly any rights to minors. Heck, we had to go to the Supreme Court to get Freedom of Speech insured. It seems like we get the bare minimum(sometimes not even that) in terms of rights.

 

[Erock83]

Do you think it is torture or cultural/??
my argument:
http://www.breakthesilence.ca/downloads/culture/December%2005/Clitoritdectomy.htm

Sure is cultural if you think that by forcing all the womyn in a village out into a field making them lie on the ground face up holding each others hands while a few medically untrained men remove their clitorises with out pain killer so that they derive very little pleaser from sexual intercourse, you know so they will be less likely to cheat on their husband or feature husbands. Even the thought that such a practice is cultural and somewhat acceptable it morally repugnant, and reject able on face, it is demeaning toward womyn, and to basic sexual and reproductive rights. 60% of the womyn in the imperialist suppressed world are subjected to this inhumane and humiliating process. This practice needs to be STOPPED as of yesterday, and anyone that want to try to tell me that this is a cultural thing should check them selves and wonder if they would want their daughter, sister, or mother subjected to such inhumane and derogatory treatment, if you can’t answer yes to that then you have no right to answer yes to saying that you support the continuation of this process.

Just a little heated here I would stay out of my way.

One Love.

 

[Marie D]

I came very close to having a mild form of this operation performed to 'keep me pure', and my sister did actually have to undergo it. I think it's wrong to assume it only happens in Africa.

As for male circumcision, a lot of young men have to have it done in their teens/early twenties if it wasn't done in infancy. This happened to my fiance and it was very painful for him. So maybe it's best to do it as a preventitive measure.

 

[cobaltburrito]

As for male circumcision, a lot of young men have to have it done in their teens/early twenties if it wasn't done in infancy. This happened to my fiance and it was very painful for him. So maybe it's best to do it as a preventitive measure.

There is no real preventitive need for it to be done. If you practice good hygeine there is no reason to have a male circumsicion.

 

[Archivist]

Female circumsicion is evil and should be illegal everywhere. Sadly even in some places where it is illegal it is part of the cultural so the authorities allow it to happen despite the law. Very sad.

While it is very different from fmale circumsicione, male circumsicion is also wrong and should only be allowed where it is medically necessary.

 

[Rochir]

There are some cultural practices which are unjustifiable. When children are being mutilated against their will, for no purpose other than to cripple a basic human function (sex), we cannot sit idly by. This is unspeakably evil.

You are so right!

 

[Erock83]

I came very close to having a mild form of this operation performed to 'keep me pure', and my sister did actually have to undergo it. I think it's wrong to assume it only happens in Africa.

As for male circumcision, a lot of young men have to have it done in their teens/early twenties if it wasn't done in infancy. This happened to my fiance and it was very painful for him. So maybe it's best to do it as a preventitive measure.

Personally I think that is one of the most off the wall ideas I’ve ever heard you are not preserving any part of your purity by removing sexual organs. You are simply destroying your body, which God gave to you to enjoy(in this instance within the confines of marriage). Sexual pleasure is a very important gift from God to deprive your self from part if not all of it would be to deprive yourself from part of what God gave to you to enjoy, when it’s allowed to be enjoyed.

One Love.

 

[Marie D]

There is no real preventitive need for it to be done. If you practice good hygeine there is no reason to have a male circumsicion.

Well maybe not for hygiene reasons, but there *are* medical problems that can make it necessary. My fiance had a problem with his foreskin that meant he was in pain that he had to live with from puberty until he was nearly 21 when he learnt it didn't need to be that way and had the op. He's really glad he did, andif God blesses us with sons we'll have them done as babies.