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Federal Judge Blocks DOGE From Accessing Social Security Personal Information... For Now

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A federal judge on Thursday temporarily blocked billionaire Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency from Social Security systems that hold personal data on millions of Americans, calling their work there a “fishing expedition.”​
It's an AP article so I can only post one sentence.

They were also ordered to delete any personal information they already have.
 
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A federal judge on Thursday temporarily blocked billionaire Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency from Social Security systems that hold personal data on millions of Americans, calling their work there a “fishing expedition.”​
It's an AP article so I can only post one sentence.

They were also ordered to delete any personal information they already have.
I'm confused how Elon Musk, from Africa has any control in our government.
 
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DOGE can still access systems, but PII data (ss numbers, etc.) needs to be redacted. The DOGE staff also needs to undergo background checks, which many of them have already done.

I don't think DOGE needs social security numbers, not should they be able to access that.
 
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I'm confused how Elon Musk, from Africa has any control in our government.
He was born in South Africa but also had Canadian citizenship through his mother. They lived in Canada from 1989ish.
He has been a US citizen since 2002.


Musk was not elected. He bought his way to the position he is in. Quite a few judges now have rules that DOGE is unconsitutional. They took over the OMB and fired people they had no right to fire. The news articles I read state that he said he has Aspberger's (on the autism spectrum) and takes ketamine for depression. ? Perhaps that is why he can't understand why so many do not like him since the election and his actions with Doge.
 
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I'm confused how Elon Musk, from Africa has any control in our government.
I'm still trying to figure out how the people who complained so much about George Soros' supposed influence in politics seemingly have no problem with Musk, another foreign-born billionaire, being given direct control over large parts of the federal workforce.
 
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I'm still trying to figure out how the people who complained so much about George Soros' supposed influence in politics seemingly have no problem with Musk, another foreign-born billionaire, being given direct control over large parts of the federal workforce.

Musk does the correct motions at rallies.
 
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I'm still trying to figure out how the people who complained so much about George Soros' supposed influence in politics seemingly have no problem with Musk, another foreign-born billionaire, being given direct control over large parts of the federal workforce.
pretty sure I can turn that right around and say

"I don't know why leftists would complain about Elon Musk after they supported Soros for decades"

it is like complaining about your enemy grabbing a gun to use against you, after you just shot at him
 
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pretty sure I can turn that right around and say

"I don't know why leftists would complain about Elon Musk after they supported Soros for decades"
Remind me again what direct control over the government George Soros was given by the president. Remind me when he joined the president on the campaign trail and attended the President’s inauguration.

Let’s find out just how equivalent this false equivalence really is.
 
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I'm confused how Elon Musk, from Africa has any control in our government.
He was appointed to be on a presidential taskforce (advisory committee).

Taskforce members (even regular civilians) get "outsized" influence over policy making despite not being directly elected.


Some other notable examples:

Obama's task force on policing. (there were community activists, who were most certainly not unbiased, helping to establish best practices for policing)

Bill Clinton's task force on healthcare (that one was particularly controversial and unprecedented, because he appointed his own wife to lead it, and it involved a bunch of closed-door meetings and her getting elevated access to certain information not normally available outside of an official government role)

George HW Bush established a "War on Drugs" taskforce, that ended up being comprised of people with no background in law enforcement or drug policy. (But that had, let's say, "predictable" recommendations). -- it'd would've been sort of like appointing a well-known vegan activist to be on a task force to review factory farming, you'd know the answers you're going to get ahead of time

Reagan's Task force on food assistance was another controversial one. He appointed Ralph Hunt and a bunch of people from a conservative think tank to run it, and surprise surprise, they came up with the conclusion "We don't need to provide more food assistance, we need to provide less, and that'll motivate people to work harder".




What you're making an argument against, in essence, is the concept of a President appointing an unelected non-government individual to take on tasks that influence policy and enforcement. It's not an unreasonable concern to have.
 
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pretty sure I can turn that right around and say

"I don't know why leftists would complain about Elon Musk after they supported Soros for decades"

it is like complaining about your enemy grabbing a gun to use against you, after you just shot at him
Can I complain about both? I'm a centrist.

You're basically admitting that Musk getting so involved is bad. How about we stop allowing things like that, so both sides don't do it anymore?
 
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Who and how is going to clean up the records?
Most Agencies can't pass an audit.
It is not Musk's fault that he uncovered 14 computers that are not linked into the Government accounts.
The government money works like a bank. There is money deposited by Congress. Each payout is a check against the account.
Those 14 computers, mostly in Treasury, are making payments that are not being taken out of the Deposit.
Either those computers are making valid payments that are not properly recorded as debits to the money deposited by Congress or the computers are making fraudulent payments and manufacturing money, magic money.
These are the issues, not whether Musk can see your #SS number.
Those numbers have been hacked so many times, they are on sale on the web.
Why should Musk go through all this screaming grief, auditing the government spending,
When he can simply buy the SS numbers online?
 
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He was appointed to be on a presidential taskforce (advisory committee).

Taskforce members (even regular civilians) get "outsized" influence over policy making despite not being directly elected.


Some other notable examples:

Obama's task force on policing. (there were community activists, who were most certainly not unbiased, helping to establish best practices for policing)

Bill Clinton's task force on healthcare (that one was particularly controversial and unprecedented, because he appointed his own wife to lead it, and it involved a bunch of closed-door meetings and her getting elevated access to certain information not normally available outside of an official government role)

George HW Bush established a "War on Drugs" taskforce, that ended up being comprised of people with no background in law enforcement or drug policy. (But that had, let's say, "predictable" recommendations). -- it'd would've been sort of like appointing a well-known vegan activist to be on a task force to review factory farming, you'd know the answers you're going to get ahead of time

Reagan's Task force on food assistance was another controversial one. He appointed Ralph Hunt and a bunch of people from a conservative think tank to run it, and surprise surprise, they came up with the conclusion "We don't need to provide more food assistance, we need to provide less, and that'll motivate people to work harder".




What you're making an argument against, in essence, is the concept of a President appointing an unelected non-government individual to take on tasks that influence policy and enforcement. It's not an unreasonable concern to have.
None of those task forces exercised control over the agencies, or tried to remove departments voted on by Congress, or remove funding that had been funded by Congress who have constitutional authority to set the funding. None of those folks in the task forces fire people, much less fired people then said, "OOPS! We need them back."


Efforts by Elon Musk and his team to permanently shutter the U.S. Agency for International Development likely violated the Constitution “in multiple ways” and robbed Congress of its authority to oversee the dissolution of an agency it created, a federal judge found on Tuesday.​
The ruling, by Judge Theodore D. Chuang of U.S. District Court for the District of Maryland, appeared to be the first time a judge has moved to rein in Mr. Musk and his Department of Government Efficiency directly. It was based on the finding that Mr. Musk has acted as a U.S. officer without having been properly appointed to that role by President Trump.​
Judge Chuang wrote that a group of unnamed aid workers who had sued to stop the demolition of U.S.A.I.D. and its programs was likely to succeed in the lawsuit. He agreed with the workers’ contention that Mr. Musk’s rapid assertion of power over executive agencies was likely in violation of the Constitution’s appointments clause.​
 
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He agreed with the workers’ contention that Mr. Musk’s rapid assertion of power over executive agencies was likely in violation of the Constitution’s appointments clause.
Secretary Marco Rubio Appointed as Acting Administrator for the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) - United States Department of State. February 25, 2025
 
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A federal judge on Thursday temporarily blocked billionaire Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency from Social Security systems that hold personal data on millions of Americans, calling their work there a “fishing expedition.”​
It's an AP article so I can only post one sentence.

They were also ordered to delete any personal information they already have.

Here’s a link to the opinion. Ordinarily TROs are not “appealable”; they’re set in place until the court (in question) can rule one way or the other while maintaining the status quo before the “controversy” arose.
 
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pretty sure I can turn that right around and say

"I don't know why leftists would complain about Elon Musk after they supported Soros for decades"

it is like complaining about your enemy grabbing a gun to use against you, after you just shot at him
Remind us when Soros went into government agencies with an ax.
 
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Remind me again what direct control over the government George Soros was given by the president. Remind me when he joined the president on the campaign trail and attended the President’s inauguration.

Let’s find out just how equivalent this false equivalence really is.
George Soros has been the #1 private donor to the Democratic Party for many years (go look it up). He is responsible for dozens of court appointments, DA installments, and policy resolutions. He is the ultimate puppet-master of the political left

you had your scum-bag oligarch pulling the puppet strings and influencing American elections

and guess what, now the right has its right guy / oligarch

enjoy the next 4 years. oh, and here is Alex Soros on the campaign trail with Biden
Screenshot 2025-03-21 at 3.37.06 PM.png
 
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George Soros has been the #1 private donor to the Democratic Party for many years (go look it up). He is responsible for dozens of court appointments, DA installments, and policy resolutions. He is the ultimate puppet-master of the political left
Ok.
you had your scum-bag oligarch pulling the puppet strings and influencing American elections
Sounds like you think that was a bad thing.
and guess what, now the right has its right guy / oligarch
Do you still think that’s a bad thing?
enjoy the next 4 years. oh, and here is Alex Soros on the campaign trail with BidenView attachment 362481
What position was he given in Biden’s administration?
 
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"I don't know why leftists would complain about Elon Musk after they supported Soros for decades"
Except that never actually happened. The right liked to make false claims about "Soros-funded" to stir up the antisemites, and the left would refute the false claims, and then the right would make a new false claim about "Soros-funded".
it is like complaining about your enemy grabbing a gun to use against you, after you just shot at him
Except it never actually happened.
 
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George Soros has been the #1 private donor to the Democratic Party for many years (go look it up).
Irrelevant to your false claim.
He is responsible for dozens of court appointments, DA installments, and policy resolutions.
No, he isn't.
He is the ultimate puppet-master of the political left
Link?
you had your scum-bag oligarch pulling the puppet strings and influencing American elections
Can you rephrase that into something coherent?
and guess what, now the right has its right guy / oligarch
At least you admit that much.
enjoy the next 4 years. oh, and here is Alex Soros on the campaign trail with Biden
Where's George?
 
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