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FCC votes down net neutrality 3-2
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<blockquote data-quote="AllButNone" data-source="post: 72103367" data-attributes="member: 394572"><p>I knew I'd derail the thread.</p><p></p><p>Are you sure it was fracking? What's getting confused in the media is that most of these induced earthquakes are being caused by <a href="https://earthquake.usgs.gov/research/induced/myths.php" target="_blank">wastewater disposal wells</a>, not fracking, at least if you believe the USGS. Wastewater injection is often associating fracking, but in terms of raw wastewater amounts, fracking produces less wastewater than many alternatives, such as coal and uranium, so in terms of induced earthquakes it's plausible there's a net benefit to fracking over alternatives.</p><p></p><p>Though obviously this doesn't help people who now suddenly find themselves next to wastewater disposal wells where they weren't before. But there's a solution that's better than banning, and that's imposing strict limits on the water pressures allowed in wastewater disposal wells.</p><p></p><p>But let's just suppose for a moment what I wrote above wasn't true. I'm pretty sure you care about global warming. I do too. In order to meet short term CO2 decreases, shifting production away from coal to natural gas is pretty critical, an important half-measure that will also save lives. There's a trade here. Your ban of fracking is small comfort to the thousands who will die in the next major heat wave. What's good for everybody isn't necessarily good for particular individuals, and vice-versa. There are always, always winners and losers in every decision that's made.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AllButNone, post: 72103367, member: 394572"] I knew I'd derail the thread. Are you sure it was fracking? What's getting confused in the media is that most of these induced earthquakes are being caused by [URL='https://earthquake.usgs.gov/research/induced/myths.php']wastewater disposal wells[/URL], not fracking, at least if you believe the USGS. Wastewater injection is often associating fracking, but in terms of raw wastewater amounts, fracking produces less wastewater than many alternatives, such as coal and uranium, so in terms of induced earthquakes it's plausible there's a net benefit to fracking over alternatives. Though obviously this doesn't help people who now suddenly find themselves next to wastewater disposal wells where they weren't before. But there's a solution that's better than banning, and that's imposing strict limits on the water pressures allowed in wastewater disposal wells. But let's just suppose for a moment what I wrote above wasn't true. I'm pretty sure you care about global warming. I do too. In order to meet short term CO2 decreases, shifting production away from coal to natural gas is pretty critical, an important half-measure that will also save lives. There's a trade here. Your ban of fracking is small comfort to the thousands who will die in the next major heat wave. What's good for everybody isn't necessarily good for particular individuals, and vice-versa. There are always, always winners and losers in every decision that's made. [/QUOTE]
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