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I love Budgies/Parakeets because less noise, smaller mess and poop,LOL! :blush: Plus they can be taught to talk,but I absolutely love reading stories about the African Gray's Abilities,but my second favorite would be the Blackheaded Caique Pionite: Pionites

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There are several subspecies of the Black-headed and White-bellied Caique:http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=15&cat=1840&articleid=2343

Has anyone not heard of Alex,the African Gray? He has been on tv inumerable times. http://www.123compute.net/dreaming/knocking/alex.html
 

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Favorite pet bird? I'm with you on the Budgie. I can't think of another bird that makes a good pet for life!:p

I actually wish Alex would stop making appearances. People assume so much of African Greys when they see him and then they run out to buy their own. A few months later you'll find hundreds of Greys freshly abandoned in rescues who taught their owners this lesson: You'd sooner teach a parakeet to quote Shakespeare than get your average Grey to do more than beep!^_^

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I would have to say the quaker parrot is my favorite. I LOVE mine! She is a great talker. Thier like big birds in little bodies. I also have a rare keet. He's sweet. I got him when he was 15 week old and he's now talking up a storm! lol At work I had to hand feed our baby Amazon and he's the sweetest thing. But I like the smaller birds b/c you can't be afraid to get bitten and the bigger birds bite HARD.

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awashinlove said:
Favorite pet bird? I'm with you on the Budgie. I can't think of another bird that makes a good pet for life!:p

I actually wish Alex would stop making appearances. People assume so much of African Greys when they see him and then they run out to buy their own. A few months later you'll find hundreds of Greys freshly abandoned in rescues who taught their owners this lesson: You'd sooner teach a parakeet to quote Shakespeare than get your average Grey to do more than beep!^_^

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You know I always knew every time a dog movie comes out,that breed ends up suffering because of overbreeding to supply the demand ie. Lassie-collies,101 Dalmations-dalmations,Air Bud-golden retrievers,Benji was a mutt so everyone went to shelters looking for look-a-likes,but I never thought about everytime Alex appears on TV,people rushing out to get an African Gray,but I am sure you are right! I never thought about how many won't talk,but I'm sure that is true as well.some of the funniest stories I have read in Bird Talk Magazine for instance are about them mimicing a neighborhood mom calling for her child or even the story writer's mom calling for them,dogs barking ect. At our mall there was a pet shop next to a video game-room and their African Gray picked up those game sounds! It sounds funny,but believe me I thank God I have sense enough to get my entertainment from just reading about them or seeing them on tv,I know it would not be funny to hear sounds of shooting and bombs exploding and soldiers yelling or screaming from video games! Plus birds vocalize whenever they feel like it,not just when they are spoken to.You cannot turn them off and on at will,LOL!
 
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Yeah, I've been lucky enough NOT to get bitten by our amazon. It has a lot to do with reading body lang. I don't mind the noise. Working at a pet store you learn to tune out the screeching. I remember once I was opening the store and I could hear the dusky conure all the way out side! I had no idea he was THAT loud!

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soblessed53 said:
It sounds funny,but believe me I thank God I have sense enough to get my entertainment from just reading about them or seeing them on tv

See, that's why I work at Petsmart! I can play with all these different birds and get my birdie fix whenever I think I want another one! lol

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qpmomma said:
I would have to say the quaker parrot is my favorite. I LOVE mine! She is a great talker. Thier like big birds in little bodies. I also have a rare keet. He's sweet. I got him when he was 15 week old and he's now talking up a storm! lol At work I had to hand feed our baby Amazon and he's the sweetest thing. But I like the smaller birds b/c you can't be afraid to get bitten and the bigger birds bite HARD.

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Grrr! Yet another crummy thing about PetSmart! They handfeed their babies! That's the absolute worst decision you can make for a bird physically and mentally (not to mention these horrible people make you sell them unweaned to owners!). You think that Amazon was nice then, give him some years and he'll be the nastiest, most mentally unstable creature you've ever come across. He'll meet the fate of most birds you work with: euthanized, or starved and locked in a basement by a frustrated owner.

If you love the birds, pressure this disgusting chain to stop handfeeding, and don't get involved with this most vile form of abuse. It would be great if people stopped supporting parrot mills and stopped shopping at PetSmart altogether, but stopping handfeeding is some sort of start in learning to respect these wild animals.

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Wow,I wasn't aware that Petsmart sells unweaned handfed babies or that handfeeding was bad,[except for it sounding risky and dangerous]. Bird breeders say handfed birds are the only way to go for a bird that bonds to humans. It makes you think about how unnatural a life most of our animals have when kept as domestic stock or pets. I don't have any pet in my apt.and don't know if I ever will again. But thank you for the enlightening info,you gave us something to consider. God Bless. :) :hug: :wave:
 
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You're kidding, right?? I don't know a respectable breeder who DOESN'T handfeed! And as far as Petsmart goes, yes, we do sell unweaned, but that's rare and the person has to come in for lessons. Most of the time they are already weaned when we get them, or are in the weaning process.
 
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You're kidding, right?? I don't know a respectable breeder who DOESN'T handfeed! And as far as Petsmart goes, yes, we do sell unweaned, but that's rare and the person has to come in for lessons. Most of the time they are already weaned when we get them, or are in the weaning process.

Don't get me started on breeders, those who actually force such atrocities on animals in the name of love. There's no such thing as a respectable one; reputable, maybe, but I don't trust the opinions of those who buy babies, either. There are actually many breeders who don't handfeed. But for those who do, how many also tell you that the breeding pairs aren't tame and can't be tamed? How many refuse breeding birds any source of entertainment so that the birds are forced to either breed or stare at nothing? How many are breeding birds younger than age 15? These people are not ones to trust.

It doesn't matter how often those who buy the unweaned come in to watch you do it. Even experienced breeders lose babies, and PetSmart employees are hardly qualified to be considered experienced, let alone teachers. Handfeeding is an absolute horror of a mess for all involved.

Handfed birds are for one, being given terrible building blocks physically. Many will be pluckers because they're physically uncomfortable. No formula can even remotely match what you find in the mother or father's crop, and the only formulas that come close to being nutritionally sound are Harrison's and Roudybush. Unless PetSmart has made a BIG change in the past couple of months, they don't even consider these brands. Your store probably tells people absurdly short lifespans if like any other on the chain because this awful start does indeed make for an early end.

Handfed birds are also frustrated, mentally disturbed creatures. In nature, birds are fed by members of the flock until they'er five and even ten years old, whereas handfed birds are forced to fend for themselves often before they even reach five months. They become anxious and often have a boatload of nervous habits. Not to mention, they "bond" quickly because they look at the handfeeder as the parent. This is NOT good! Birds, just like children, eventually want - need - to leave home and mate. They become nasty to their "parent" as they try to seperate themselves (this is when most birds lose their home or even their life because the owners don't understand the reason the bird is nasty after one or two decades of being fine).

Handfed birds have a hard time figuring out with who to mate, how to interact, and their IQs are stunted without the vital flock exposure and interaction. Many birds, like Macaws, will get to the point in their life when they won't tolerate humans, but can't be introduced to birds because they don't know how to interact. These birds rarely keep their lives when even the most patient and loving of activist can't relieve the their mental torture.

Does your store tell adopters any of this about handfed babies?

I commend any animal lover who wants to work there, but don't fall into the store's lies.

PetSmart gets (unless disease had them change services again) Kaytee birds (and it used to be LabPets for the mammals). They live in horrid factory conditions stacked one on top of the other where being handfed involves half of a second with a human as a syringe full of cheap formula is shoved directly into their crops (they don't spoonfeed as often PetSmart associates are taught). Most are the products of incest and mothers bread until their ability to live literally wears out (it's interesting to note that PetSmart boasts their approval of their providers). They come from across the country on trucks with just a piece of fruit. Most are loaded with disease, and many even have psittacosis. Once at PetSmarts, birds are given tap, frequently formula is microwaved which allows for hot spots and oscillating temperature and consistency, they're given terrible diets, sold to people without background checks or follow-ups. Not to mention, the store is reknown for telling people that parrots only need around four hours of attention a day.

Sadly, PetSmart's policy for taking care of dogs and cats doesn't apply to their small animals and birds. You have an honorable chance to make a difference.

Blessings,
awashinlove

EDIT to add these fliers for anyone who wants to lend a hand:
http://www.avianwelfare.org/action/flyers/massmarketing.pdf
http://www.avianwelfare.org/action/flyers/adoptafricangrey.pdf
 
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Wow. I am so amazed by how ignorant you really are. What made you come to this conclusion about Petsmart? Did you work there? B/c if you would know how ignorant you really sound. None of what you said is true. Sorry, but you are misinformed.
 
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Yes, I have been an associate (animal care specialist) for a few weeks now (though I refuse handfeeding and have turned some buyers away to rescues only a short time after the store's opening. Wonder if I'll get my Christmas bonus...). I also briefly worked at a PetCo when I was 17 (got fired when I wouldn't "dispose" of a parakeet and uh, stole :blush: her instead when they wouldn't let myself or my mother purchase her...). Not only that, but when a local rehab and rescue center received the clearance for cleanup when a FL animal supply factory was shutdown and had their possessions shipped across America to those that were in need, I was there when they cleaned up the masses of dead birds in cages and feeding stations that appeared to be something like a bird assembly line. And yes, the RARC has the documents proving these people to be the suppliers of several local big chain pet stores, such as PetCo and PetSmart. It's why I joined ranks with the thousands across america who are taking a stand. Believe me you, I wish to our heavenly Father I was mistaken, that I haven't seen what I have and that some crazy PETA activist made it all up.

Just do a little research. Don't ever take my or anyone else's word for it. See with your own eyes. The info is everywhere - folks even have pictures! The site where the fliers above are linked from is an excellent place to start.

There's also an MSN group - I'm not sure if we can link to those, here, though it may also be linked from the above site - for PetSmart and PetCo employees to connect and discuss. I don't know a soul from across America who isn't required to give animals tap, cheap food, or microwaved/tap formula after they arrive in a box with an orange. So if any of these things aren't true where you work, that's great! Unbelievably great, and contact info to your employer would be absolutely, astoundingly great to use against my manager, and many of my friends' managers. ::gets excited:::clap:

Blessings,
awashinlove

EDIT: No need to get nasty, by the way. And it would be great if you elaborate.:)

EDIT: Thought I'd help you out a bit. Explore both sites a little: http://www.thebeakretreat.com/petno/action.htm (Focuses on PetCo, but has vital PetSmart blurbs.)
http://www.avianwelfare.org/issues/articles/ppadvant.htm

Quote from second link: "Another example of the foray into marketing live animals is PETsMART's Preferred Birds, a partnership owned and operated by PETsMART and Kaytee, a leading bird food manufacturer. This program involves the shipment of unweaned birds from breeders to PETsMART's holding facilities, where they are prophylactically treated with antibiotics, "hand-raised" — a term which can be misleading as birds are fed by tube or "gavage" methods — and then shipped to PETsMART stores. The program has been denounced by respected avian behaviorists, veterinarians, breeders, and trainers because it significantly reduces the time necessary for the normal social, physical, and emotional development of parrot chicks. "
 
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awashinlove said:
I don't know a soul from across America who isn't required to give animals tap, cheap food, or microwaved/tap formula after they arrive in a box with an orange. So if any of these things aren't true where you work, that's great! Unbelievably great, and contact info to your employer would be absolutely, astoundingly great to use against my manager, and many of my friends' managers. ::gets excited:::clap:

I've been the lead pet care specialist at my store for 3 months now. We DO NOT microwave our formula. We DO NOT give kaytee. Our birds are sent to us with someone who is CERTIFIED to handfeed babies. NOT a piece of fruit. I don't know where you are, but I would contact your regional or district manager. It's to my knowlege this is REQUIRED of ALL stores.

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All already do everything we can, and you'll see if you check things out that the SSG and up get plenty of letters. Your store is certainly one of a kind.:) Would it be possible to PM me your store's contact info? This type of information, such as using another source of proper heating aside from a microwave or tap, is incredibly helpful to making changes in other stores. I know we got three stores to change when one person changed policy at just one store concerning small animal glue tape and selling babies under six weeks.

There's no such thing as being certified to handfeed or breed, so I'm not sure what you mean there. And it is common practice for PetSmarts to cover up their suppliers as is described on one of the sites provided, so keep an eye out.

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Wow amazing info awashinlove. My daughter and I went to a birdshow once and we saw baby macaws being handfed and it looked dangerous and disgusting and of course the woman told us that was the only way to go with parrots to get a great bird bonded to people! It's a shame that Birdtalk Magazine endorses this practice too.I also have no doubt about the overbreeding and bird mills just like what has happened with dog breeding and puppymills. Reps and Kudos to you for your excellent info.:) :hug: :wave:
 
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awashinlove said:
weeks.

There's no such thing as being certified to handfeed or breed, so I'm not sure what you mean there. And it is common practice for PetSmarts to cover up their suppliers as is described on one of the sites provided, so keep an eye out.

Blessings,
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It is company policy that in order to handfeed you have to take a test. If your store does not make you take a test in order to handfeed then there is a BIG problem.

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Wow amazing info awashinlove. My daughter and I went to a birdshow once and we saw baby macaws being handfed and it looked dangerous and disgusting and of course the woman told us that was the only way to go with parrots to get a great bird bonded to people! It's a shame that Birdtalk Magazine endorses this practice too.I also have no doubt about the overbreeding and bird mills just like what has happened with dog breeding and puppymills. Reps and Kudos to you for your excellent info.:) :hug: :wave:

Again, there's a problem here! At our store we are told NOT to force feed the babies. We do not stick the syringe down the crop. We let the baby decide how much they want. We let them come to us. We keep a close eye on our babies, expecially if they are being handfed. And if the baby's not eating, we take them to the vet right away. There will be times where I'll be sitting with a baby for 45 minutes b/c he doesn't like to be rushed. Yes, handfeeding can be VERY dangerous. Which is why we have to take tests in order to handfeed and we make customers come in to handfeed b/f they take the baby home. And if for any reason either the customer or we feel uncomfortable about them taking the baby home, we refuse to let them. I've had to refuse a sell many times b/c I didn't feel comfortable with the person.

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It is company policy that in order to handfeed you have to take a test. If your store does not make you take a test in order to handfeed then there is a BIG problem.

Company policy says we just have to show another inexperienced person we can accomplish the task as they believe it should be done (the "test"). But you had said: "Our birds are sent to us with someone who is CERTIFIED to handfeed babies." I got the impression this was referring to your supplier, not a coworker or someone associated with PetSmart. :scratch:

Again, there's a problem here! At our store we are told NOT to force feed the babies. We do not stick the syringe down the crop.
They live in horrid factory conditions stacked one on top of the other where being handfed involves half of a second with a human as a syringe full of cheap formula is shoved directly into their crops (they don't spoonfeed as often PetSmart associates are taught).

I think you're getting factory conditions confused with store conditions, here. Please do check out the links.

Here's the problem. Baps need to be force fed because they are exrtremely fussy, especially around four to six weeks. I said nothing about not doing that, I said about forced weaning. Sitting around for over half an hour is NOT a good thing, unless half that time is spent disposing old formula and reheating new to a precise, perfect temperature. Feeding with a spoon is also not a good thing, because numerous birds aspirate the formula. Problem with this is that with five air sacks, you don't even know you're killing the bird until 2+ years down the road.

It's the blind leading the blind at PetSmart. How you feed is the least of the store's problems, anyway.

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