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PrettyboyAndy

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I agree,

But if God's will is God's will, what's the point of praying or fasting, unless my prayer and fasting is the means in which he accomplishes his will
 
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I agree,

But if God's will is God's will, what's the point of praying or fasting, unless my prayer and fasting is the means in which he accomplishes his will

Do you vote?

Why?

The Bible instructs us that all the powers that be are ordained by God Himself (Rom. 13:1, Prov. 8:15, Dan. 4:25, 35). God ordained the Liberal Party to take power in Canada, He ordained the exact number of votes…does that let us off the hook for voting? Of course not. We will give an account for all that we do or fail to do. (1 Pet. 4:5)

Do you pray?

God knows what you will ask for before your pray (Matt. 6:8) and before you even call He answers, so why pray? (Isa. 65:24) Should we stop praying? Of course not. We are instructed to pray. (Lk. 18:1, 2 Thess. 1:3, James 5:17)

Should we stop planting since God has promised that the harvest will never cease? (Gen. 8:22) Of course not for we are told that we only harvest what we plant. (Pro. 20:4, Gal. 6:7)

Should we try to stay healthy by eating healthy and exercising if our death is appointed by God (Heb. 9:27)? We will only live so long, as long as God ordained… (Psalm 91:7, Gen. 27:2) so what point is there in staying healthy?

I'm trying to say that God ordains means by which His perfect will is accomplished. We fast because God has placed that on our hearts from eternity to do so.

The London Baptist Confession Chp. 3:1. God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass;1 yet so as thereby is God neither the author of sin nor hath fellowship with any therein;2 nor is violence offered to the will of the creature, nor yet is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established;3 in which appears His wisdom in disposing all things, and power and faithfulness in accomplishing His decree.4

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Isa. 46:10; Eph. 1:11; Heb. 6:17; Rom. 9:15,18
2 James 1:13; 1 John 1:5
3 Acts 4:27,28; John 19:11
4 Num. 23:19; Eph. 1:3-5

A Commentary on scriptural theology contained in the 1689.

Yours in the Lord,

j
 
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Ha , I've chewed gum and went outside to spit the sugar out until I was only left with gum , even that will wear your jaws .. gargling with drugstore hydrogen peroxide is an awesome germ killer and kills bad breath too , just be careful not to swallow any
 
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God is Sovereign, But there is also a multitude of verses similar to these ones:

If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”

27 The man asked him, “What is your name?” “Jacob,” he answered. 28 Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel,[a] because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.” Genesis 32:26-28

Humble yourselves before the Lord, and He will exalt you. James 4:10

These might not be the best examples, but I see a lot of If you will ... than I will... in the Bible.

I'm going to fast a new thread on this bc its not related to fasting
 
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I agree,

But if God's will is God's will, what's the point of praying or fasting, unless my prayer and fasting is the means in which he accomplishes his will
In Ezek. 36 God tells Israel that He shall do several things and that they shall do several things. It wasn't a matter of if or unless they are simple statements of facts where God tells what is going to happen without fail. Yet in verse 36 and 37 the Lord says that He has spoken it and that He will do it and yet the He will be inquired of ( prayer) by the house of Israel to do it for them.

(Eze 36:36) Then the heathen that are left round about you shall know that I the LORD build the ruined places, and plant that that was desolate: I the LORD have spoken it, and I will do it.

(Eze 36:37) Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will yet for this be enquired of by the house of Israel, to do it for them;
 
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