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Many of the games also employ the 'feel' of Christianity in the same manner. While a game like World of Warcraft may have warlocks summoning demons from runes on the ground, it also has characters like holy priests, and the stereotypical crusaders of the light (paladins), vowing to rid the world of the evil scourge. It even, in a sense, has the blasphemers (the blood elves), who, with a seemingly unhealthy obession with magic, have even figured a way to use holy magics to their own advantage so that they too can be paladins. Paladins in WoW are the only class that carry with them, a libram (ie: a holy book), that enhances their various holy abilities. Paladins and priests alike can heal others using the magic of the light (holy). There are 3 roles a paladin can choose, each determined by whether you increase your talents in Protection, Holy, or Retribution (sound familiar). Even before WoW was expanded, you also had the cult of Christian-like zealots that played a central role in the storyline (the Scarlet Crusade), whom you even confront in their massive cathedral (Scarlet Monestary). I would say that the Scarlet Crusade even more specifically resembles Catholicism in dress and appearance.

So while Christ isn't actually mentioned, the general theme of the ancient Christian crusader is there, just as it is with the occult, and even druidism and shamanism (well, they're called shamans, at least).

What I find interesting is when games try to hint at the resemblance of the occult, many deem it as dangerous - or sometimes evil. With irony, the same people that pass this judgment either over look any Christian-like elements of the same games, or deem it blasphemous.
 
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I won't be returning for another pointless go around.

Thanks for not starting another of those religious flamewars you see on many other forums (I play WoW and there are an abundance on there).

I just want to know your peoples input. Not your life story.
I think its ok, and I don't know wether its occult or not, it seems less than some things.

I play D&D to, and people that critisize things don't even look indepth on them. I heard of this guy saying that it taught occult practices and taught people how to do dark magic. If it really did, wouldn't you see teenagers running around using bat guano to shoot fireballs at eachother?

I remeber seeing a website where this quy tried a bunch of these things, and all resulted in failure, as they should becasue they are not real. Its rather funny, wish I could remember the link. Drat.
 
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well if you do post it! i want a good laugh. when i told my dad i started playing d&d he called me a nerd lol we wasnt all "youre gonna learn witchcraft now" or something. because my dad doesn't have the IQ of a bar of soap i suppose...
 
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I think its rather funny that the people critisizing games with magic, and saying that those who play them will go to hell/commiting a sin are playing God and deserve hell more than the players actually do.

I think it would be awesome if I could use fantasy magic, I daydream about it sometimes, but I don't believe it is real and don't try it. Thats why God gave us an imagination, to relieve us from the real world. I think this is great because a psychiatrist diagnosed me with something called Maladaptive Daydreaming. I don't really know what it is, she says somehthing like daydreaming without being able to control it.
 
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I think its rather funny that the people critisizing games with magic, and saying that those who play them will go to hell/commiting a sin are playing God and deserve hell more than the players actually do.
I think it's more comical that the people who blast games with magic are the same ones that play games with mass murder in them. Hypocritical?
 
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There are 3 things I would point out from your post:

1. You are not goint to go to hell if you play these games.

2. The fact that you desire to use magic is proof of what those of us who see the harm in it have pointed out

3. The fact that you cannot control your thinking is not a good thing, and is a fruit of these particular types of game. The scriptures are clear, about girding up the loins of your mind
 
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1 - That's good, because I'd hate to think that you believe we'd be judged on something so harmless as playing a game with a fictional setting. 2 - How is having the desire to use this magic even remotely harmful, especially if the one desiring it acknowledges it not being real? 3 - What makes you so sure the video games are capable of giving someone a diagnosable disorder? People have been daydreaming long before we've discovered electricity, let alone been making video games. Why would God create humans with an imagination so powerful that in some cases allow us to completely detach ourselves from reality in times of stress for the sake of survival. What I think it boils down to is one of two possibilities. Either you don't understand video games, so you oppose them out of fear of the unknown, or you actually have the kind of mentality yourself where you would actually think you can jump through pipes and double in size from eating mushrooms if you ever played Super Mario, so you assume everyone has the same problem separating fiction from reality as you do.
 
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I have to ask before I answer you are you a christian?
 
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Please don't turn this into a religious flamewar. Its all fun and games until someone gets burned.

I don't have scitsophrenia (SP?), I know all to well the difference between fact and fiction. And I my Maladaptive daydreaming is just that, knowledge of fact and fiction, just daydreaming a lot more than the normal person. i find it harder to stop when I'm tired, I stay awake daydreaming for hours some nights in bed. My psyciatrist says it may stem from my childhood (parents hardcore drug users, neglecting me, being homeless) and I thank God I have something to escape the harsh reality. My life is better now, but when I'm sad I still do it, it helps me relax. Its not all about magic, thats just a very small percent of it. I daydream about God, Jesus, and other things a lot more.

I'm thinking of makeing a story about an order of knights sworn to protect against demons. Thinking about calling it The Order of the Flaming Blade. I have already spent hours if not days thinking about it.
 
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I have to ask before I answer you are you a christian?

No. Agnostic Pantheist. I used to be Christian. My beliefs have nothing to do with the subject at hand, anyway. I can even triple check the bible myself and find nothing in there about video games, playing role playing games, pretending to be superman, or using your imagination for fun. Nothing in the bible says you're not allowed to daydream or pretend.

In fact, there's not much in the bible that demands you to live your life completely devoid of recreation. The notion is just absurd.

When you're role-playing a character, good or evil, you aren't seriously living out that character in real life unless you're mentally unstable. Granted, some people have a very difficult time distinguishing fact from fantasy, and they are the ones who can't comprehend role-playing to be just that: playing.
 
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I've met some people like you mentioned. Usually at the library. I met a person who thought "the government was trying to kill her because she new that Obama was the anti-christ"

It was hard not to laugh, I know its bad, but it was kind of funny. I decided against it because it might make her do something dangerous.

I also met this person who thought he could fly, jumped off of his roof, now hes in the wacky-shack.
 
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well if you do post it! i want a good laugh. when i told my dad i started playing d&d he called me a nerd lol we wasnt all "youre gonna learn witchcraft now" or something. because my dad doesn't have the IQ of a bar of soap i suppose...

Found the link, its worth the read, rather funny.

The Escapist - Spellcasting 101
 
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I've already been thinking about how the Kinect could be used in this way. I'd love to see a fantasy RPG where you can take hand gestures and use them to trigger certain spells or even to trigger spell components so you could "build" a spell for casting. You could play with dual weapons, one weapon and one hand for spells or both hands for spells. Obviously, you could create more complex and powerful spells using both hands.

Maybe even make that how magic works in the game. You must first open an elemental school with one hand gesture then select an aspect of that school before adding aspects from other schools in the same way. Basically stack magical attributes before executing the spell. Fire alone burns the target. Fire + Air explodes at the targets site doing AoE damage. Air + Fire + Air flies to the target and explodes doing damage AoE damage along the way as well as at the point of explosion. Etc.

Gee, I wonder if anyone would accuse me of trying to teach gamers how to use real magic. lol
 
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