False gospels do not require you to overcome sin

Neogaia777 said:

The "sin" in that passage is clear... It was those who were calling upon and doing many mighty and wonderful (to others) powerful works (supposedly) in His name, and yet were more than likely still in sin, etc, though I don't know how much that latter part really had to do with it or not, apart from their doing and/or performing or (supposedly) doing many mighty and wonderful powerful works in (supposedly) His name, or by or through or by Him, etc...

The sin seems to be pretty clear that they were really not, etc... And is the sin God is or was concerned with the most, etc...

It is a warning specifically to those doing powerful and mighty works or supernatural works in His name, not just "specifically about general sinners being in just general sin itself" or generally...

It does not mean and is not talking about that at all (in that passage), etc...

So you are misapplying it and misinterpreting it and are intending to deceive, or you are not using the truth in truth, which is a sin in itself BTW...

God Bless!

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And more generally speaking it about those doing things in His name or that they say is by Him when they and it are not truly, etc...

Jesus says He "never" "knew" those ones... not His children and are not, nor were ever His, etc...

This would probably be because they were either not telling or preaching the truth, or that they are not, or never were, of His Spirit in their hearts, etc...

It is not just about sin in general or about general sinners and their general sin(s) in general, etc...

That is a flat out lie, etc...

And it is deceiving, and not teaching nor preaching truth, etc...

Which is a big sin BTW, etc...

God Bless!

So @Phil W, we just caught you in a sin, not handling the Word of Truth in Truth... So, are you now still going to claim you don't sin, or don't sin anymore, or have never sinned...?

A lot of you on here, especially a lot of the ones on here who claim they don't have any sin, do that "practically all the time" BTW, and most of the time to condemn "sinners", etc, but, anyway, do that kind of sin "all of the time", but don't seem to ever see it, etc...

God Bless!

Neogaia777 said:

The "sin" in that passage is clear... It was those who were calling upon and doing many mighty and wonderful (to others) powerful works (supposedly) in His name, and yet were more than likely still in sin, etc, though I don't know how much that latter part really had to do with it or not, apart from their doing and/or performing or (supposedly) doing many mighty and wonderful powerful works in (supposedly) His name, or by or through or by Him, etc...

The sin seems to be pretty clear that they were really not, etc... And is the sin God is or was concerned with the most, etc...

It is a warning specifically to those doing powerful and mighty works or supernatural works in His name, not just "specifically about general sinners being in just general sin itself" or generally...

It does not mean and is not talking about that at all (in that passage), etc...

So you are misapplying it and misinterpreting it and are intending to deceive, or you are not using the truth in truth, which is a sin in itself BTW...

God Bless!

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Neogaia777 said:

And more generally speaking it about those doing things in His name or that they say is by Him when they and it are not truly, etc...

Jesus says He "never" "knew" those ones... not His children and are not, nor were ever His, etc...

This would probably be because they were either not telling or preaching the truth, or that they are not, or never were, of His Spirit in their hearts, etc...

It is not just about sin in general or about general sinners and their general sin(s) in general, etc...

That is a flat out lie, etc...

And it is deceiving, and not teaching nor preaching truth, etc...

Which is a big sin BTW, etc...

God Bless!

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Neogaia777 said:

So @Phil W, we just caught you in a sin, not handling the Word of Truth in Truth... So, are you now still going to claim you don't sin, or don't sin anymore, or have never sinned...?

A lot of you on here, especially a lot of the ones on here who claim they don't have any sin, do that "practically all the time" BTW, and most of the time to condemn "sinners", etc, but, anyway, do that kind of sin "all of the time", but don't seem to ever see it, etc...

God Bless!

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By their fruit (works) you will know them, etc...

Are they doing bad works and producing bad fruit, or good, etc...?

Is their news or their gospel good news or bad, etc...?

Is it, or are they, seeking to raise or upbuild or only judge and condemn, etc...?

What is in their hearts behind what they are doing, or the true work and/or works and/or true purposes (in their hearts) behind what they are doing...?

And while they are seeking to judge or condemn, are they completely free from that very same judgment and/or condemnation, etc...?

God Bless!

The "false gospel", or gospels, should be very apparent at this point, etc...

And the false and the true ones also, etc...

God Bless!

Those not handling the Word of Truth in Truth, or from the right kind of Spirit in their hearts, will be judged...

For they bring it upon themselves, etc...

God Bless!

And I would examine Matthew 7 in it's whole chapter and entire context if I were you, especially the very first line, etc...

God Bless!

I think and just saying maybe add this is your personal belief might be helpful. And do you not believe that Christ only died for past sins? If I am wrong forgive me.

The wages of sin is death (physical death spiritual death). Yet theres more to that verse "but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord". Psa 32 "Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven,Whose sin is covered.Blessed is the man to whom the Lord does not impute iniquity," Can not add past only to that

Rom 4
"Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works: “Blessed are those whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. Blessed is the one whose sin the Lord will never count against them.”

No matter what I do its rags to God. Isa "But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away." "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"

I believe what God said to the Galatians fits here perfectly "I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel;"

Gal 3-6
I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? Have you experienced so much in vain—if it really was in vain?
So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

So what the Gal were doing/believing was a different Gospel. Through out my life I have come accros those that do not believe the bible Gen-Rev is for all. Some believe SOME letters the holy spirit wrote through Paul are not for all or not even of God. This leads to confusion when the writer leaves out this info. So its then easy to make your case by saying "that was for the Gal only".

I still live in a body that is flesh that loves to sin. Yet I am a new creation in Christ. That which was made new can not sin. There is no sin that keeps me from heaven. For I have been as the word says been saved. My name is written in the lambs book. Thats not ME saying its Christ. No one can rob me of this nor take me out of my Fathers hands. It is by GRACE I HAVE BEEN saved through faith. That is how its written "have been". Not of my self.. meaning I have nothing what so ever to do with it. And NO I am not free to sin. This is the meat..

JacksBratt said:

1 John 1:8 King James Version (KJV)

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

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John is describing the lives of two very different kinds of people in 1 John 1.
Those that walk in darkness...and cannot say either that they have fellowship with God or that they have no sin, and those who walk in light...who have had all their sins washed away by the blood of Christ and who can say they have fellowship with God and that they have no sin.
I walk in the light, which as verse 5 says is God.
There is no sin in God.

Neogaia777 said:

The "sin" in that passage is clear... It was those who were calling upon and doing many mighty and wonderful (to others) powerful works (supposedly) in His name, and yet were more than likely still in sin, etc, though I don't know how much that latter part really had to do with it or not, apart from their doing and/or performing or (supposedly) doing many mighty and wonderful powerful works in (supposedly) His name, or by or through or by Him, etc...

The sin seems to be pretty clear that they were really not, etc... And is the sin God is or was concerned with the most, etc...

It is a warning specifically to those doing powerful and mighty works or supernatural works in His name, not just "specifically about general sinners being in just general sin itself" or generally...

It does not mean and is not talking about that at all (in that passage), etc...

So you are misapplying it and misinterpreting it and are intending to deceive, or you are not using the truth in truth, which is a sin in itself BTW...
God Bless!

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You really read a lot into the verse.
It says "ye workers of iniquity".
Iniquity could be any sin.
Think about it, if the ones doing mighty supernatural works were kicked out for their iniquity what happens to those doing no works at all?

Neogaia777 said:

So @Phil W, we just caught you in a sin, not handling the Word of Truth in Truth... So, are you now still going to claim you don't sin, or don't sin anymore, or have never sinned...?

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What are you talking about?

A lot of you on here, especially a lot of the ones on here who claim they don't have any sin, do that "practically all the time" BTW, and most of the time to condemn "sinners", etc, but, anyway, do that kind of sin "all of the time", but don't seem to ever see it, etc...
God Bless!

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You will need to specify what "that" is.

Blade said:

I still live in a body that is flesh that loves to sin. Yet I am a new creation in Christ. That which was made new can not sin. There is no sin that keeps me from heaven. For I have been as the word says been saved. My name is written in the lambs book. Thats not ME saying its Christ. No one can rob me of this nor take me out of my Fathers hands. It is by GRACE I HAVE BEEN saved through faith. That is how its written "have been". Not of my self.. meaning I have nothing what so ever to do with it. And NO I am not free to sin. This is the meat..

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There is a "cure" for that flesh and your love for it above your love of God.
Romans 6:3-6 tells us how to kill the old man and to be raised with Christ to walk in newness of life.
You don't have to walk in the flesh any more: you can now walk in the Spirit instead of the flesh.

Phil W said:

You really read a lot into the verse.
It says "ye workers of iniquity".
Iniquity could be any sin.
Think about it, if the ones doing mighty supernatural works were kicked out for their iniquity what happens to those doing no works at all?

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Perhaps answered already, but those who are kicked out for their iniquity are kicked out regardless of if they had "mighty supernatural works" , or no works at all, right ?

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Perhaps answered already, but those who are kicked out for their iniquity are kicked out regardless of if they had "mighty supernatural works" , or no works at all, right ?

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Right.
Jesus conquered sin while in the flesh.
If we are "in Christ" we can share in that victory in our own lives.
Thanks be to God !

Phil W said:

You really read a lot into the verse.
It says "ye workers of iniquity".
Iniquity could be any sin.
Think about it, if the ones doing mighty supernatural works were kicked out for their iniquity what happens to those doing no works at all?

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He says specifically what the sin was in Matthew 7:21-23 and who the workers of inequity that He was referring to there were, and what they are or what they would be doing, etc, in Matthew 7:22, and more specifically referring to the those who were also called "false prophets" in Matthew 7:15-20 right before it, etc, who are inside "ravenous wolves", etc...

Look it was in general about those who come using His name and saying they were His, and claiming about things that were by Him, or were of Him, or were in His name, but were not, etc...

And in case you want me to repeat it, it was not referring to people who sin in general in that passage or in those verses, and you specifically said it was in post #232, so you were not handling the truth properly or in complete truth, or were caught in a sin...

Just man up and admit it OK...?

And don't try to deflect by trying to change the subject or the fact that you were just caught in a sin, and in one that I think God considers a pretty serious one also, not handling His Word of truth in complete true and total truth, etc...

God Bless!

Phil W said:

You really read a lot into the verse.

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No I read what just simply right there in it plainly, etc...

Phil W said:

It says "ye workers of iniquity".
Iniquity could be any sin.

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Does he not say specifically who or what or who He meant or was talking about in Matthew 7:21 and Matthew 7:23 in Matthew 7:22...?

Yes or No...?

Cause if it's "Yes", then you are/were wrong, and were just caught in a sin, etc...

And now you trying to defend yourself and perpetuate it instead of just admitting to it even right now, which is another sin that you are doing even right now, etc...

So typical of your type, "pride" always gets in the way, etc, which is another sin, etc...

In 7:23 it says "He will say "to them", etc, or the specific ones He was referring to specifically about in 7:22 right before it, "right before it", etc, and also beginning by calling them false ones in Him beginning with Matthew 7:15, etc...

He was not talking about sin or all sinners in general in those passages at all, "at all", so, you are "lying", and are now trying to perpetuate and defend that lie, etc...

AKA, "sinning", etc...

God Bless!

Phil W said:

John is describing the lives of two very different kinds of people in 1 John 1.
Those that walk in darkness...and cannot say either that they have fellowship with God or that they have no sin, and those who walk in light...who have had all their sins washed away by the blood of Christ and who can say they have fellowship with God and that they have no sin.
I walk in the light, which as verse 5 says is God.
There is no sin in God.

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Well, Phil, you may be able to live without ever sinning... I'm not that lucky..
I get selfish. I see cars, houses, boats, and other "toys" that I covet. Sometimes I eat like a pig when the food is good. Which is gluttony. I tell the officer that I haven't had anything to drink, at the ride check, when, in fact, I had a beer an hour ago... just to avoid the hassle when I know that I have no alcohol in my system... I have drove over the speed limit when I am a bit behind my schedule.

I am still Saved.. I am always in conversation with my savior and asking forgiveness.. Not because my salvation is at risk, but just to continue to admit my shortcomings in my effort to become more like Him.

Neogaia777 said:

He says specifically what the sin was in Matthew 7:21-23 and who the workers of inequity that He was referring to there were, and what they are or what they would be doing, etc, in Matthew 7:22, and more specifically referring to the those who were also called "false prophets" in Matthew 7:15-20 right before it, etc, who are inside "ravenous wolves", etc...

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So saying you did miracles in the name of Jesus Christ is a sin?
That was all that was cited by Jesus.
Any sin would be counted in "iniquity".

Look it was in general about those who come using His name and saying they were His, and claiming about things that were by Him, or were of Him, or were in His name, but were not, etc...

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I agree, as any sin is iniquity.

And in case you want me to repeat it, it was not referring to people who sin in general in that passage or in those verses, and you specifically said it was in post #232, so you were not handling the truth properly or in complete truth, or were caught in a sin...

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Then you should edit the last paragraph wherein you said "Look it was in general about those who come using His name..."
Jesus said "ye workers of iniquity".
How does that not include adulterers, liars, and thieves too?

Just man up and admit it OK...?
And don't try to deflect by trying to change the subject or the fact that you were just caught in a sin, and in one that I think God considers a pretty serious one also, not handling His Word of truth in complete true and total truth, etc...
God Bless!

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I refer you to the last paragraphs.

God doesn't "know" sinners, doesn't hear their prayers, and doesn't recognize their good works.

Neogaia777 said:

No I read what just simply right there in it plainly, etc...
Does he not say specifically who or what or who He meant or was talking about in Matthew 7:21 and Matthew 7:23 in Matthew 7:22...?
Yes or No...?

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No.
You are inferring that their "allegedly" good works are sin.
I see them as works done while in sin...any sin.

Cause if it's "Yes", then you are/were wrong, and were just caught in a sin, etc...

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I guess we don't need to worry about that then.

And now you trying to defend yourself and perpetuate it instead of just admitting to it even right now, which is another sin that you are doing even right now, etc...
So typical of your type, "pride" always gets in the way, etc, which is another sin, etc...
In 7:23 it says "He will say "to them", etc, or the specific ones He was referring to specifically about in 7:22 right before it, "right before it", etc, and also beginning by calling them false ones in Him beginning with Matthew 7:15, etc...
He was not talking about sin or all sinners in general in those passages at all, "at all", so, you are "lying", and are now trying to perpetuate and defend that lie, etc...
AKA, "sinning", etc...
God Bless!

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If you think their allegedly good works were sin, stay on the road you have turned onto.
It isn't the same road I am on.

JacksBratt said:

Well, Phil, you may be able to live without ever sinning... I'm not that lucky..
I get selfish. I see cars, houses, boats, and other "toys" that I covet. Sometimes I eat like a pig when the food is good. Which is gluttony. I tell the officer that I haven't had anything to drink, at the ride check, when, in fact, I had a beer an hour ago... just to avoid the hassle when I know that I have no alcohol in my system... I have drove over the speed limit when I am a bit behind my schedule.

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Luck has nothing to do with it.
It is a question of submission to God.

I am still Saved.. I am always in conversation with my savior and asking forgiveness.. Not because my salvation is at risk, but just to continue to admit my shortcomings in my effort to become more like Him.

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It is written..."...God heareth not sinners...". (John 9:31)
That isn't the life of those reborn of Godly seed.

@Phil W , you are clearly wrong, and denial isn't just a river in Egypt, but you go on and keep sinning, and compound that sin and that lie with even more lying and deceiving and twisting of the truth so you can only think you are right and are not sinning ok?

Even though it is a gross sin.

It is not talking about all sin and all sinners in that passage but a specific kind of sin and sinners, (of which you are being one of even right now), and you are very wrong and are sinning to say it does, end of story. And your only doing it in order to say you were not wrong or were not sinning when you clearly were and are right now, which is so very wrong on so many levels I do not even know where to begin, end of story.

God Bless!