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Part of the issue, I think, ... is that you are picking up on a discussion between myself and another poster. In so doing, some degree of confusion has ensued.
I didn't say that David was not in a bad place ... he very truly was.And you don't think David was in a bad place sin wise when he was planning and following through? I guess I didn't understand you because what I said seemed so obvious to me.
I think that we may need to define our terms.Fine, but we were talking about you accusing someone of stating we need to be perfect.
What saves David, in this instance, is his established relationship with God. It is God who sends Nathan to David ... to bring him to his senses, and to repentance. Which is what occurs.
I think that we may need to define our terms.
In this thread, we have been discussing sinlessness. Do you agree ?
Do you not equate that to (moral) perfection ?
You do realize that David sinned again after the Bathsheba episode, correct ?Right, he repented and started acting right again instead of continuing to live in sin. Or do you believe he would have been saved if he had continued to do evil?
Do you equate sinlessness with (moral) perfection ?Whatever, I'm done with that. You now know what happened, and that's all I was trying to get across..
Do you equate sinlessness with (moral) perfection ?
Or would you prefer not to answer ?
Which questions were those ?Go back and pick up all the questions I asked you but you didn't answer, and answer them, then we can talk.
You do realize that David sinned again after the Bathsheba episode, correct ?
Which questions were those ?
That reality does not describe sinlessness, which was the topic being discussed.We will all "sin again"...what is your point?
Look, I believe in being Biblical. The Bible makes no difference between types of sin ... or frequencies at which sins may be committed.You simply don't want to see the difference in living in sin and sinning on occasion and then seeking forgiveness, at which point God is just and faithful to forgive us.
No, ... though, admittedly, I am not perfect ... nor sinless ...Serious question, do you have some particular bad sin or sins that you are doing regularly?
You must realize that that's a subjective assessment. In my view, I have answered every question which has been presented to me in this discussion.The ones you didn't answer. It's not fair for you to skip them, and then have me go back and search them out for you, but they're easy enough to find if you want to spend the time.
I pretty much agree with you here.Your fellowship with God gets hurt if you start sinning, and i was talking about the filling of the HS, which i don't know if you believe as i do about it, the spirit does not totally abandon you but you can't expect to sin a lot and be close to God, or stay filled with the HS. In my experience at least.
And I agree with you here ...God does not abandon us, and he has a lot of patience and love us, but we just can't expect sinning a lot and that our 'fellowship' with him is not going to suffer, something is going to happen to your relationship with God, and fellowship in the spirit. Yes God still is going to treat us as his childs, and we can later overcome the sins and be restored perfectly, etc. But there are some consequences to sinning, like i said.
True gospels fully yield and submit to God to overcome sin for you.False gospels do not require you to overcome sin, but they sure are popular!
Will a full page of 10 proof verses be enough, or do you require 5 pages of 50 verses?
“If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed,
rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched” (Mark 9:43)
Do you think Jesus is deadly serious about getting rid of sin?
“… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey,
whether (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death,
or (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness …
For when you were slaves of sin … the end of those things is (eternal) death.
… For the wages of sin is (eternal) death …” (Romans 6:16-23)
“For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things
of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.” (Romans 8:5-6)
“For if you live by its dictates, you will die (spiritually). But if through the power of the Spirit
you put to death the deeds of your sinful nature, you will live (eternally).
For all who are led by the Spirit of God are children of God.” (Romans 8:13-14)
“Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?
Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,
nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners
will inherit the kingdom of God.” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
“Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness,
lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outburst of wrath, selfish
ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like;
of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those
who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.” (Galatians 5:19-21)
“Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.
For he who sows to his flesh (sins) will of the flesh reap corruption,
but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.” (Galatians 6:7-8)
“But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you,
as is fitting for saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting …
For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater,
has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words,
for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.” (Ephesians 5:3-6)
“Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved,
he will receive the crown of (eternal) life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him
… But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.
Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown,
brings forth (eternal) death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.” (James 1:12-16)
“God’s will is for you to be holy … live in holiness and honor …
God has called us to live holy lives, not impure lives.
So, anyone who refuses to live by these rules is rejecting God.” (1 Thessalonians 4:3-8)
From what I hear, only about 95% of American churches!May I ask who in general is preaching a false gospel of not having to overcome sin?
From what I hear, only about 95% of American churches!
But, everyone's excuse is, "Have you been to all of the churches?"
IOW, they're in denial of the super-popular "easy-believism" gospel prevalent today!
Meanwhile, you're going to tell me that your church preaches against sin?
IMO, this is critical to be taught and warned about.Not very often ... But I agree in the sense that sin in general isn’t preached very much anywhere from what I’ve experienced.
If you have questions you believe were not answered, it is up to you to make those questions known ...
Look, I believe in being Biblical. The Bible makes no difference between types of sin ... or frequencies at which sins may be committed.
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