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This is a study written by a friend of mine. Let me know what you all think.

Over the years I have noted hundreds of divisions (if not thousands) between professing Christians, many of which lead one side or the other (or both) to make accusations against the others, some going so far as to say that the others are heretics, demonic, going to hell, or even satanists... when all that is happening is that they are disagreeing on a particular interpretation of something.


The problem, as I have seen it, is that each person is building on a different cornerstone, i.e. a different criteria for determining who are the good guys and who are the bad guys.



There are hundreds of these false cornerstones around, such as whether or not a person speaks in tongues, whether or not a person has a particular take on Bible prophecy, whether or not one believes in the Trinity, whether or not one believes that the whole Bible is infallible, whether or not the King James Version of the Bible is the infallible version, whether or not one uses the right words when baptizing someone (or enough water or at what age or whether they are dipped forward or backwards, etc.) and (most commonly) whether or not one belongs to the right church.


Obviously something is wrong.



We do need some criteria for finding our way through all of this confusion, but let's not be too quick to jump into the fray with just another half-baked formula. The Bible itself talks about a Cornerstone, i.e. a measuring device which can be used to build the rest of our "house" squarely and solidly.


It says that the "builders" (whoever that may be) will toss that Cornerstone aside, assuming that it is not suitable for what they wish to build. When that happens, of course, they end up with a distortion, based around some other false cornerstone.


Most of us know that there are references to Jesus being that Cornerstone. However, the trouble even then is that some people see this as being some esoteric, invisible, purely subjective version of Jesus, as exists in their own "hearts". In other words, we end up, once again, with a cornerstone that does NOT separate the good guys from the bad guys.


It can be used by anyone to do virtually anything. We have jumped back into the same melee of everyone shouting that they have the mind of Christ, they have the Holy Spirit, they have been led to condemn everyone else who is not doing things their way.


But what about the historical Jesus, the real Jesus, the objective Jesus who appears in the Scriptures, in particular, in the first four books of the New Testament? Jesus himself used much the same illustration (i.e. the Cornerstone one) except that in his Sermon on the Mount he referred to it as the entire foundation on which we are to build our house, and that foundation, Jesus said, was his teachings.



Well, a bit more than that, because he concluded his sermon with a story about a foolish man who actually heard what he (Jesus) had taught, but then failed to obey it. That man was building on sand. But, Jesus said, the wise man is the one who, having heard the teachings of Jesus (the Rock, the Cornerstone) actually obeyed them. This man had found the foundation that would never fail.


It is exciting to think that it could be as simple as that. That we only need to make the teachings of Jesus our standard, and with his teachings, we can test all of our other doctrines, all of our other leadings, all of the various teachings and organizations, and we will arrive at the truth.



I believe that it IS as simple as that. Oh, there will be slight disagreements, but nothing like the overwhelming Babylon (which means 'confusion') that exists when we turn to any of the other myriad criteria for passing judgment that abound in the church world today.


I have, however, discovered that when I point to the teachings of Jesus, a torrent of abuse is poured out by people who have chosen other cornerstones besides the teachings of Jesus. Ironically, many of these people cannot get along with one another, but when it comes to opposing the teachings of Jesus, there is an uproar of unity amongst them all.



That, in itself, makes me think that I have hit on something which is not only extremely simple, but which is extremely significant. Why is there universal reaction against what he said?


Probably the most difficult argument to refute, which could be supported even by the Cornerstone passages in the epistles, is that people who are obeying some inner voice are, in fact, obeying Jesus, whether or not that inner voice is saying the same things that Jesus is recorded as having said. They say that they are following the living Jesus. (I think they mean the Holy Spirit, that other person of the Trinity, and something that I fully believe in.)



But that raises the same serious questions about all the others who say that they too, are following some inner voice, from the free sex of the Children of God to the suicide pact of Jonestown. All of these people thought (or at least claimed) that they were following the Holy Spirit/Jesus.



The same goes for all the other doctrines being put forward as criteria for determining who is right... each of them is being taught by someone who claims to have God's Spirit.


So what you find amongst those who argue in favour of being "led by the Spirit" is that they still need a secondary standard for discerning the good guys from the bad guys... for separating what they believe from what other "Spirit-led" people claim to believe.



The most common standard is that the Spirit must be consistent with what the Bible says. Not necessarily with what Jesus said, but just with something they have read virtually anywhere in the Bible. If the Bible says to stone homosexuals, and they feel "led" to stone homosexuals, then it's okay. If the Bible says Solomon was prosperous, and they feel "led" to become millionaires, then that's okay too.



But when you look more closely, virtually every evangelical Christian in the world is claiming (a) to be Christian; (b) to be born again; (c) to be Spirit-led; and finally (d) to be basing their teachings on something from the Bible. Yet they continue to come up with some of the most bizarre teachings and arguments and there is little or no agreement amongst them all.


So we end up back where we started, with everyone quoting proof texts, flashing manmade traditions and doctrines as being right, and declaring the others to be wrong. And in the midst of all the noise, the teachings of Jesus continue to collect dust.


Like I said, when I bring up the teachings of Jesus, suddenly I am accused of being unloving, out of the Spirit, legalistic, even satanic. But that, too, is covered in the teachings of Jesus, praise God! He says that if they called him Beelzebul, then how much more will they use such accusations against those of us who seek to follow him.


The anti-Jesus' teachings people say, too, that I am pushing my own "interpretation" of the teachings of Jesus... at the same time that they refuse to even look at what Jesus actually said. Why? Because what Jesus is recorded as having said is so spot on just as it's written, that there is little need for "interpretation".



While I say that Jesus literally meant for us to love our enemies, just as it's written, their "interpretation" is that it's okay to kill them if your country tells you to! And they race all over the rest of the Bible looking for excuses to do this with virtually everything that Jesus taught.



They say that Jesus left a few words out, which they can prove by something Paul said; or that Jesus was never given the authority to speak to the Gentiles... only Paul has that; or that Jesus never intended for us to obey him; or that Jesus was only making limited demands on a specific group of people, which has no relevance to us today; or that Jesus was prone to exaggeration and hyperbole, etc.


While they teach that the rest of the Bible is infallible, that it is eternal, that it is complete, the teachings of Jesus are attacked as being fallible, temporary, and incomplete without their other false cornerstones to knock Jesus into place. The end result is that, rather than being the Cornerstone as he deserves to be, Jesus is set aside, so they can continue with their false churches and false doctrines, all built on false cornerstones.


So here I am, judging them... the very same thing that I accused them of at the start of this article... with one difference... I'm defending Jesus and what he is recorded as having said, and they are not. And I think that makes all the difference in the world... in this one, and in the one to come. Hallelujah!
 

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Good post, you make a lot of intersting and very good points! You do know of course that stoning homosexuals and pursuing worldly prosperity is usually against the will of God, don't you? I mean, I see your point that people base these beliefs on scripture without really interpreting them accurately. Everyone should know that mercy prevails over judgment and that it is easier for a camel to enter the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter a kigdom of heaven. But anyways, you make a lot of really good points and may God bless you.
 
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You do know of course that stoning homosexuals and pursuing worldly prosperity is usually against the will of God, don't you?

I think you must be referring to this part of the study:

The most common standard is that the Spirit must be consistent with what the Bible says. Not necessarily with what Jesus said, but just with something they have read virtually anywhere in the Bible. If the Bible says to stone homosexuals, and they feel "led" to stone homosexuals, then it's okay. If the Bible says Solomon was prosperous, and they feel "led" to become millionaires, then that's okay too.

Yes, I realize that stoning peole and pursuing worldly prosperity is not only "usually" against the will of God, but is always against the will of God (particularly in the case of pursuing money).

That is what the study is saying. Because people can read about stoning or prosperity in the Bible, they feel they have a convenient doctrine to justify such behavior in their own lives, but Jesus' teachings trump EVERYTHING else in the Bible.

Everyone should know that mercy prevails over judgment and that it is easier for a camel to enter the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter a kigdom of heaven.

It's not clear to me what you mean here. Can you elaborate?

Criticize others does not makes you right.
So, DON'T look at others, look at yourself.

This will solve all the problems.

Hi Juven,

Are you aware that you are criticizing others right now? Does that mean we should believe you are "not right", according to your own words?

Maybe there is more to what you are trying to communicate which could help to clear up this confusion, but that you didn't think to include in your initial response?
 
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It's not clear to me what you mean here. Can you elaborate?

Mercy prevails over judgment. Before God resorts to judging, condemning, or punishing someone, he gives them opportunity to repent and thus shows them mercy. I often feel like God shows too much mercy, for he gives sinners many chances to repent, however he is slow to anger and we should be the same way. Before we resort to seeking vengeance or desiring to see someone be punished for what they do or have done to us, we ought to be kind and not return evil for evil. For instance, if a brother wrongs us, we ought to confront him about the matter and apt to forgive before we should be ready to take him to court that he may be tried. I feel that way about homosexuals. Homosexuality is a sexualy immoral sin and is worthy of death as all sins truly are, however, we ought to be like God in the matter and be apt to reach out to that person with the love of God that they may witness the power and grace of God and may be saved thereby. I don't necessarily think that homosexuals should be given the death sentence like they were in the OT, for things are quite different after Christ's first advent, death, and resurrection. I do think that God is more lenient on such a matter that they may have a chance and an opportunity to repent and be ssaved by the grace of God. If God wants to punish them after offering his grace, let that be up to him. This is what I meant by mercy prevails over judgment, as in we ought to be merciful as God is merciful before judging or letting someone be judged. Ya catch my drift?

As far as it being easier for a camel to enter the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kigdom of God; it's pretty self-explanatory; for anyone knows how hard it is for a camel to enter the eye of a needle. A camel is large, the eye of a needle is very small, get it? However, like the Son of God said; with God, all thinghs are possible.
 
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Hi Juven,

Are you aware that you are criticizing others right now? Does that mean we should believe you are "not right", according to your own words?

Maybe there is more to what you are trying to communicate which could help to clear up this confusion, but that you didn't think to include in your initial response?

You said: A, B, C, D, E ... they all fight each other. Bad.
I said to you, as well as to all who fight: don't fight, just look at yourself will be good enough.

I am not criticizing anyone.

Now, I am criticizing the fight. Fighting among Christians are not for the Lord (even the fight on doctrines), but for themselves. It is harmful to everyone who fights. So, it is not a wise action. Just like when I see street fight, I run away as fast as I could. However, that does not mean I don't debate with people on theological issues. We need to tell these apart. I debate, not because I want to win, but because I want to know.

We should do what Paul told us to do: Run toward the goal, and DON'T get distracted.
 
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You said: A, B, C, D, E ... they all fight each other. Bad.
I said to you, as well as to all who fight: don't fight, just look at yourself will be good enough.

I am not criticizing anyone.

Now, I am criticizing the fight. Fighting among Christians are not for the Lord (even the fight on doctrines), but for themselves. It is harmful to everyone who fights. So, it is not a wise action. Just like when I see street fight, I run away as fast as I could. However, that does not mean I don't debate with people on theological issues. We need to tell these apart. I debate, not because I want to win, but because I want to know.

We should do what Paul told us to do: Run toward the goal, and DON'T get distracted.

You are not necessarily correct here. Christians are called to fight the good fight of faith, which includes fighting the enemy within the church itself. Speaking of what Paul told us to do, he said concerning this matter;

It isn't my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning. -1 Corinthians 5:12

Critisism can be beneficial, esp if it's constructive, and I see most of the critisism candle is suing here as somewhat constructive, however we certainly ought to tear down the false structure of hypocrisy within the church of today, esop when it dissimulates the harmony and unity of the church as one, for the church of God is meant to be one, united in the understanding of the Holy Spirit, not divided against itself because of heresie based on the understanding of man, for we are commanded not to lean upon our own understanding (Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; -Proverbs 3:5) and this is essentially what the people within the church that candle is referring to have done. They have formed their own false docrtrines that are based upon their own understanding and not the understanding that God would have given them if they sought him wholeheartedly and with unfeigned faith. Paul has also said about such people;

I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. -Romans 16:17

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned! -Galatians 1:8-9

If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. -1 Timothy 6:3-5

We are told to dismantle the false structure of hypocrisy and division within the chruch. The church ought to be united as one in the same common understanding given by the Holy Spirit and God when we believe in him with unfeigned faith and seek him with all our hearts, minds, and souls. Candle isn't doing anything contrary to what we are commanded. I commend him for his concern for the oneness of the church.
 
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You are not necessarily correct here. Christians are called to fight the good fight of faith, which includes fighting the enemy within the church itself. Speaking of what Paul told us to do, he said concerning this matter;

OK, fight for the Lord is good. As long as one is sure that he is not fight for the sake of himself.

However, it is hard to know.
 
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OK, fight for the Lord is good. As long as one is sure that he is not fight for the sake of himself.

However, it is hard to know.

Hi Juven. Thanks for offering this concession on your stance regarding criticism. Yes, it can be difficult to know, but I think that is why it is good to discuss criticisms. Like apoco is right in that constructive criticism is what is needed, even if it IS hard at times.

No one ever likes to be criticized and yet Jesus' entire life is a criticism on humanity's behavior in general. But Jesus gave reasons for his criticisms and alternatives on how to fix the problems.

Compare that with what you've shared here:

You said: A, B, C, D, E ... they all fight each other. Bad.

I am open to the possibility that you are right, but you've not given any reasons to show how you came to this conclusion. What is "A, B, C, D, E" and HOW do they fight each other? I could just take your word for it and apologize, but then that would not be a discussion.

The study I posted is challenging all the other religious formulas out there which would dare take the place of Jesus' teachings as the ultimate cornerstone by which to measure our behavior throughout life.

For example, apoco talks about Jesus' teachings regarding riches. He told a rich man that the rich man should forsake all he has, and then follow Jesus. This was an instruction in answer to the question "how do I get eternal life".

Most people settle for the explanation that this was an instruction specifically for the rich man and not for disciples of Jesus in general.

And yet, this concept of forsaking all and living by faith appears all throughout the gospels. It is an integral part of learning how to function by the values of the Kingdom of Heaven. It is a part of the cornerstone.

But, because it deals with money issues and material possessions, almost always some doctrine is created (like the one about how it only applies to the rich man from Luke 18) to dismiss it as unnecessary.

Any doctrine which does not conform to the cornerstone becomes a false cornerstone.
 
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Hi Juven. Thanks for offering this concession on your stance regarding criticism. Yes, it can be difficult to know, but I think that is why it is good to discuss criticisms. Like apoco is right in that constructive criticism is what is needed, even if it IS hard at times.

No one ever likes to be criticized and yet Jesus' entire life is a criticism on humanity's behavior in general. But Jesus gave reasons for his criticisms and alternatives on how to fix the problems.

Compare that with what you've shared here:



I am open to the possibility that you are right, but you've not given any reasons to show how you came to this conclusion. What is "A, B, C, D, E" and HOW do they fight each other? I could just take your word for it and apologize, but then that would not be a discussion.

The study I posted is challenging all the other religious formulas out there which would dare take the place of Jesus' teachings as the ultimate cornerstone by which to measure our behavior throughout life.

For example, apoco talks about Jesus' teachings regarding riches. He told a rich man that the rich man should forsake all he has, and then follow Jesus. This was an instruction in answer to the question "how do I get eternal life".

Most people settle for the explanation that this was an instruction specifically for the rich man and not for disciples of Jesus in general.

And yet, this concept of forsaking all and living by faith appears all throughout the gospels. It is an integral part of learning how to function by the values of the Kingdom of Heaven. It is a part of the cornerstone.

But, because it deals with money issues and material possessions, almost always some doctrine is created (like the one about how it only applies to the rich man from Luke 18) to dismiss it as unnecessary.

Any doctrine which does not conform to the cornerstone becomes a false cornerstone.

Anything can be argued toward any direction one likes to lead it to. This is true even to what's said by the Lord Jesus Christ.

This is an unfortunate trick given by this evil world. So, in the argument involved parties A, B, C, D, E, ..., even some of them are theologically right, but all of them are still wrong.

The cornerstone teaching is just that, cornerstone. It is NOT subject to argument. Think about the teachings. Discuss them and understand them. But, no accusation and no fight.

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Look at this from another point of view: We may fight for our doctrine. But that is not a fight for the truth of the doctrine. It is a fight to defeat the enemy. Just like lessons learned in the wars of Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, either don't fight, or the war must be an all out effort and must be thoroughly won.
 
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This is an unfortunate trick given by this evil world. So, in the argument involved parties A, B, C, D, E, ..., even some of them are theologically right, but all of them are still wrong.

Juven, I think we are still not connecting here. What is the trick? You've not given any specifics to explain how or why your point is relevant. I'm not saying you don't have a point, but that it is vague.

WHY are points abcde wrong? What are points abcde? Can you see how you've provided a conclusion with very little support as to how you arrived at that conclusion.

I feel the article I posted made some extremely valid points. I cannot accept that these points are tricks or wrong just because you say so. Because I am a thinking person, I need reasons before I will agree with you.

Perhaps you could point out some specifics from the article I posted, which you feel illustrate your point?
 
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Juven, I think we are still not connecting here. What is the trick? You've not given any specifics to explain how or why your point is relevant. I'm not saying you don't have a point, but that it is vague.

WHY are points abcde wrong? What are points abcde? Can you see how you've provided a conclusion with very little support as to how you arrived at that conclusion.

I feel the article I posted made some extremely valid points. I cannot accept that these points are tricks or wrong just because you say so. Because I am a thinking person, I need reasons before I will agree with you.

Perhaps you could point out some specifics from the article I posted, which you feel illustrate your point?

OK, let's see an explicit example. When Christian denominations argued with each other on the reasons that they become different from each others, which one is right and which one is wrong? From an atheistic point view, this is simply a laughing stock used to ridicule the Christianity. They don't care a bit about the issue of argument. As long as we are arguing, they can take it as that all denominations are wrong. What kind of witness the churches are giving to non-believers?

Of course, to a mature Christian, the denominations are understandable and acceptable. But devil will simply use it to attack the whole faith system, and that is the evil trick. How would it look to the general public if a Baptist minister openly denounced a decision of a Methodist church? Should the Baptist initiate the open accusation? Of course not, regardless the reason.
 
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