Someone please explain exactly what is cursed about the rocks, dirt, and water, the trees and critters (keeping in mind that a weed is a plant in the wrong place).
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busterdog
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Someone gave me a plaque for my garden - more like a ceramic headstone, since they know I like to garden.
It says: One is nearer God's heart in a garden than anywhere else on earth.
I am a yeoman gardener at best. Some success, but at other times, an excess of unacceptable vocabulary about my fortunes in the world of argriculture.
Every year I have a blight of what appears to be tobacco mosaic virus in my tomatoes. We get some production for a couple of weeks and then they slowly die back.
If I had only my garden to live on, suffice it to say, I would be a dead man.
I am making a new "headstone" with the following inspirational piece of scripture:
"Cursed [is] the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat [of] it all the days of thy life." Gen. 3:17
I think it is as simple as that. Work can be nice. Gardening can be kind of nice. But lets face it, heaven will be a vast improvement.
It says: One is nearer God's heart in a garden than anywhere else on earth.
I am a yeoman gardener at best. Some success, but at other times, an excess of unacceptable vocabulary about my fortunes in the world of argriculture.
Every year I have a blight of what appears to be tobacco mosaic virus in my tomatoes. We get some production for a couple of weeks and then they slowly die back.
If I had only my garden to live on, suffice it to say, I would be a dead man.
I am making a new "headstone" with the following inspirational piece of scripture:
"Cursed [is] the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat [of] it all the days of thy life." Gen. 3:17
I think it is as simple as that. Work can be nice. Gardening can be kind of nice. But lets face it, heaven will be a vast improvement.
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armothe
Living in HIS kingdom...
Actually, weeds are exactly where they need to be. So are lampreys, ticks and other parasitical forms. God created all of these things purposely to help sustain His wonderful creation.
I personally believe the Garden of Eden was a lush oasis specifically created for Adam and Eve which minimized the work they needed to do to survive. When they were kicked out of the garden they were faced with a more rugged lifestyle that required labor-intesive foraging and quite possibly harsher elements/environment.
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Deamiter
I just follow Christ.
I find it amazing that humans worldwide before the advent of industrialism and agriculture found it pretty easy to live in even the harshest of envirnoments. Before we had this idea that life should be easy and we should minimize work, people could live happily anywhere.
I love reading about the Australian bushmen who in parts of the desert will sometimes dig down many meters to get to a water-filled root. They can spend hours digging, and when the roots are collected, they don't whine and complain at the amount of work -- instead they are happy to have the water.
Eden was surely a wonderful place, but if we look at the world and try to avoid all the materialistic lenses we've built up, just about anywhere on earth can be as beautiful as any eden I can imagine. Everywhere on Earth can sustain life, and most places can sustain human life with a little God-given ingenuity.
I love reading about the Australian bushmen who in parts of the desert will sometimes dig down many meters to get to a water-filled root. They can spend hours digging, and when the roots are collected, they don't whine and complain at the amount of work -- instead they are happy to have the water.
Eden was surely a wonderful place, but if we look at the world and try to avoid all the materialistic lenses we've built up, just about anywhere on earth can be as beautiful as any eden I can imagine. Everywhere on Earth can sustain life, and most places can sustain human life with a little God-given ingenuity.
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Life in Eden could not have been much easier than life in the Pacific North West before the white people ruined the ecology. The people were so well off they invented the potlatch to establish status - the tribe who gave away the most stuff won.
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busterdog
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I bet it was great, except for the death thing.
Actually, a number of very well adapted natives report a pretty good way of life with minimal disease. It is a very sophisiticated science to survive in a comfortable manner, but is quite possible. Not sure where that takes you. I also think we are looking at narrow slices of history, since most of these populations will find trouble and conflict at some point.
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