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<blockquote data-quote="Agonaces of Susa" data-source="post: 55150701" data-attributes="member: 253233"><p>Exhibit number 1: Christian Forums.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Even when scientists do perform these alleged and so-called "tests and experiments" they still don't know what the hell they are talking about. But don't worry they have faith. Furthermore, experiments and tests are irrelevant because just because something tests a billion ways the same way that doesn't mean that on the billion and first time it won't test totally different. But don't worry they have faith.</p><p></p><p>For example they have faith that the sun will rise tomorrow even though it is known from the historical record that the sun has risen contrary to experience 4 times in the past 14,000 years. </p><p></p><p>"Thus the whole period is eleven thousand three hundred and forty years; in all of which time (they said) they had had no king who was a god in human form, nor had there been any such either before or after those years among the rest of the kings of Egypt. Four times in this period (so they told me) the sun rose contrary to experience; twice he came up where he now goes down, and twice went down where he now comes up." -- Herodotus, historian, Book II, ~440-420 B.C.</p><p></p><p>"... the day was retarded in contrariety to nature, and the sun delayed." -- Plutarch, historian, 1st century</p><p></p><p>"That the sun will not rise to-morrow is no less intelligible a proposition, and implies no more contradiction, than the affirmation, that it will rise." -- David Hume, philosopher, 1772</p><p></p><p></p><p>Correct. And even when scientists claim to have scientific evidence it's not necessarily true.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Correct.</p><p></p><p>And scientists also have faith that their experiments and tests are correct. 99.999% of the time they aren't correct.</p><p></p><p>"Reason is itself a matter of faith. It is an act of faith to assert that our thoughts have any relation to reality at all." -- G. K. Chesterton, philosopher, Orthodoxy, Chapter III: The Suicide of Thought, 1909</p><p></p><p>"Anybody who has been seriously engaged in scientific work of any kind realizes that over the entrance to the gates of the temple of science are written the words: 'Ye must have faith.'" -- Max Planck, physicist, 1932</p><p></p><p></p><p>Any philosopher knows that mathematics is not physics.</p><p></p><p>"...there is no more common error than to assume that, because prolonged and accurate mathematical calculations have been made, the application of the result to some fact of nature is absolutely certain." -- Alfred N. Whitehead, mathematician/philosopher, 1911</p><p></p><p>"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality." -- Albert Einstein, mathematician, January 1921</p><p></p><p>"Geometry is not physics." -- Halton C. Arp, astronomer, June 2007</p><p></p><p>"All I can say is, beware of geeks bearing formulas." -- Warren Buffett, financier, 2008</p><p></p><p>Any Euclidean geometer and philosopher knows that any mathematics is totally imaginary and any mathematics, namely General Ralativity, based upon Non-Eucludean geometry is a joke. So-called "spacetime" is also a totally imaginary concept and only exists in Meinong's Jungle with the invisible pink unicorns. But don't worry: they have faith.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Agonaces of Susa, post: 55150701, member: 253233"] Exhibit number 1: Christian Forums. Even when scientists do perform these alleged and so-called "tests and experiments" they still don't know what the hell they are talking about. But don't worry they have faith. Furthermore, experiments and tests are irrelevant because just because something tests a billion ways the same way that doesn't mean that on the billion and first time it won't test totally different. But don't worry they have faith. For example they have faith that the sun will rise tomorrow even though it is known from the historical record that the sun has risen contrary to experience 4 times in the past 14,000 years. "Thus the whole period is eleven thousand three hundred and forty years; in all of which time (they said) they had had no king who was a god in human form, nor had there been any such either before or after those years among the rest of the kings of Egypt. Four times in this period (so they told me) the sun rose contrary to experience; twice he came up where he now goes down, and twice went down where he now comes up." -- Herodotus, historian, Book II, ~440-420 B.C. "... the day was retarded in contrariety to nature, and the sun delayed." -- Plutarch, historian, 1st century "That the sun will not rise to-morrow is no less intelligible a proposition, and implies no more contradiction, than the affirmation, that it will rise." -- David Hume, philosopher, 1772 Correct. And even when scientists claim to have scientific evidence it's not necessarily true. Correct. And scientists also have faith that their experiments and tests are correct. 99.999% of the time they aren't correct. "Reason is itself a matter of faith. It is an act of faith to assert that our thoughts have any relation to reality at all." -- G. K. Chesterton, philosopher, Orthodoxy, Chapter III: The Suicide of Thought, 1909 "Anybody who has been seriously engaged in scientific work of any kind realizes that over the entrance to the gates of the temple of science are written the words: 'Ye must have faith.'" -- Max Planck, physicist, 1932 Any philosopher knows that mathematics is not physics. "...there is no more common error than to assume that, because prolonged and accurate mathematical calculations have been made, the application of the result to some fact of nature is absolutely certain." -- Alfred N. Whitehead, mathematician/philosopher, 1911 "As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality." -- Albert Einstein, mathematician, January 1921 "Geometry is not physics." -- Halton C. Arp, astronomer, June 2007 "All I can say is, beware of geeks bearing formulas." -- Warren Buffett, financier, 2008 Any Euclidean geometer and philosopher knows that any mathematics is totally imaginary and any mathematics, namely General Ralativity, based upon Non-Eucludean geometry is a joke. So-called "spacetime" is also a totally imaginary concept and only exists in Meinong's Jungle with the invisible pink unicorns. But don't worry: they have faith. [/QUOTE]
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