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Faith and Healing Something to consider

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I can't help but notice that some people think that if you're a Christian and truly know God that it means you should be healed of any sickness or disease. I just can't buy into that. I'm not saying that you can't be healed, we all know God has the power to do such things, and he does. But there's also many reasons he might not heal someone, but that's something that's much harder for our eyes to see, or for our minds to even comprehend.

 Now some of you may already know, that the Lord is preparing to take my father. I know not when this will happen, although I do feel it will be very soon. But I do have a certain amount of understanding as to why it needs to happen, but that's another post in itself. The reason for this post is to show that sometimes there are hidden lessons, etc. that we learn through the afflictions of our loved ones. That maybe God has other reasons for allowing someone to have a disease, or illness that wont be healed. So I will tell you about my own earthly father, and what I have learned through him, and the inflictions he has suffered in his life.

 I think back to a time when I felt I was robbed of a father. While other kids had a father who could drive them around to different places, and do things with them. My father couldn't because he's been bound to a wheelchair since my early childhood, and there have always been many things he couldn't do physically.

 I see things in a different light now, I no longer wonder about why God never healed him, or even question it. I think back to what my father taught me, he taught me many things possibly without even knowing it. Nor did I know I was learning anything at the time. But now the Lord has helped open my eyes, and I can see it more clearly.

 So here are a few things I have learned, and things I have seen. Things I might not have learned at all if my father was healthy.

 I saw how God provided for our family. We had all that we needed, even though neither of my parents worked. We never had to go beg, borrow, or steal. God provided us with all that we needed.

 I learned to be independent. While other kids were being driven here or there, or relying on their fathers to do things for them. I learned to do more for myself, because my father couldn't do them for me.

 I was able to learn about perseverance. Even though my father only had the use of one hand, and couldn't walk. He did many things that amazed me. When he started a project he always stuck to it, and finished it. He never let the fact that things were harder for him to accomplish stand in his way. I never heard him complain, he faces each day one at a time, and simply accepts whatever new struggle he might have to face, and sees it through.

 I learned about patience. Simple things that might take us a couple minutes to do take my father much longer, but he never let that make him angry, he just takes his time and gets them done anyway, without one single complaint.

 I learned that you should never judge someone by their apperance. Just because someone might be different, or have some disability doesn't make them any less of a person, or any different in the eyes of God. God only sees what's in our hearts, we should always see others in the same way.

 These are just a few of the things I learned from watching my father. Things I might not have ever learned, had he been healthy. Lessons that could only come from someone who trusts in God. I also know that he could have never faced things the way he has, without having God in his life.

 When I went to the hospital to visit my Dad, I prayed about if I needed to talk with him about God. And the answer I got was... No he already knows the way. Just be with him.

 So I do not question my fathers salvation one bit. Although it seems some people think that I should. I feel it needs to be said, that if someone tries to convince you, that if someone isn't physically healed that they aren't truly saved, that just isn't true. I'm reminded of not only Job, but also of Lazarus.
 
   Someone with physical limitations face greater hurdles than those who don't. And even when darkness surrounds them, they still have faith in Jesus. They have a light that shines brighter than all the rest. It cuts right through all the darkness, and serves as a tool to teach, and reach others. How they to can overcome the darkness, how when trouble comes our way, no matter how great it is, or how powerless we may be against it. There is still one thing we can always put our faith in, and that is Jesus Christ, because he will see us through all the trials we may come up against in this world. I think there's much to be said for someone who when faced with disease and illness, still clings to their faith in Christ. How great their faith must be, to keep trusting in him for all things. I don't think they lack faith at all, I think they clearly show that they have an even greater faith, than some of us can even begin to understand.

 

 
 

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Very well said GraftMeIn,

Your father did a good job of raising you.  You should never feel put down because of others words. 

We can all learn many things from each other and there are variaties of ways to learn these things.  We each have to walk according to what The Lord has shown us and not what he's shown somebody else.

I'm sorry to hear that you may soon lose your father but rejoice with you that he will be with Jesus.   

It's really nobody else's business or place of judgement as to the why's of your father not coming out of that wheelchair.  But when he see's Jesus face to face he will be able to not just walk but I believe he will run.  And he will run with joy and thanksgiving.

Thanks for sharing with us.  Be blessed.  I'm praying for you.

In His Grip,

Barbara 
 
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Thanks Quaffer,
I felt I needed to post this to show that, if someone is healed or not has nothing to do with if they are truly saved. I think it's kind of sad to think that others would even consider teaching such a thing. God has shown me what a blessing my father has been for others, including myself. And he will be blessed more than we can even imagine when he gets to join Jesus in heaven.
 
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GraftMeIn,

thanks for your story. I agree, God can use a man such as your father for many things, and because he is not as physically well as others, that means nothing. It does NOT mean that he is missing out, and it does not mean that he should be healed. It means that God allowed what happened to him for a reason, and I believe you have seen why.

I recently heard a quote from a man who had cancer. He was a marathon runner (a famous one) and he had cancer for nealy twenty years before dying. He said the best thing that has ever happened to him was getting cancer. It topped all the awards and metals, it topped everything. Cancer put this man's life in perspective and he lived for twenty years as if every day was his last. If God decided to teah me a lesson like that, I will gladly receive it, and I will use it for the purpose he intends.


Quaffer, you are right, he will run into the arms of the savior.
 
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"Someone with physical limitations face greater hurdles than those who don't"

amen! What a great testimony!!!

"I don't think they lack faith at all, I think they clearly show that they have an even greater faith, than some of us can even begin to understand."

again, AMEN!! Like those crazy kids said, "But even if he does now, we want you to know, O kind, that we will not server your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up." Even if he doesn't help or heal, I'll still worship him, for he is God.
 
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My nephew is deaf. Even if he could be healed, it isn't necessarily God's will for him. God might have plans for him that only a deaf person could fulfill. God might have something bigger than restoration for Greg. Healing is not the end all and be all of life. Sometimes afflictions are bigger blessings than perfect health.
 
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all well and nice sweet words but what about some scripture to prove that God doesnt want to heal some or that he authors sickness or death in some of his children?

also ask yourself if you wld do the same to your kids.


Kid: Mummy I have a fever.

Mum: No medicine or doctor for you son. I have my reasons for not bringing you to the doctor but I can't tell you why. Go figure.

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Mrs Lee: I just cut off my son's tongue and broke his legs.

Mr Lim: Oh, what important lesson were you trying to teach him?

Mrs Lee: Not to use foul language and not to run around so much.

Mr Lim: You are such a loving parent

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Mr Lim: I put my son to sleep.

Mrs Lee: But its only 9 am in the morning.

Mr Lim: Oh I meant I killed him becos I wanted to teach him a lesson.

Mrs Lee: You're such a loving father. (smiles)
 
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okay, that's fine, I was just saying that it is a strawman. I haven't seen anyone posting on this board that believes any of those things.

as far as this goes..

"about some scripture to prove that God doesnt want to heal some or that he authors sickness or death in some of his children?"

I have several verses that I gave you. I have just been made aware of a few more. The most promient one I know is Ecc 7:14

"When times are good, be happy; but when times are bad, consider: God has made the one as well as the other..."
 
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"I haven't seen anyone posting on this board that believes any of those things."

EXACTLY. When it comes to human father-son relationships on earth, they consider such things monstrous and cruel -- and wld lock up such fathers and throw away the keys.

Yet in the same breath, they think that of their Heavenly Father is like that. They may not state it explicityly, but their theology sure shouts it out. And God is not dumb.

Now one may argue, that's using human father-son relationships and extending it to God. But then didnt Jesus himself do the same thing:

Mt 7:11* If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

Lu 11:13* If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?


One of the reasons why God gives us children is so that when we hold that bundle of joy in our arms, we get a glimpse of how much God loves his children.
 
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"Yet in the same breath, they think that of their Heavenly Father is like that. They may not state it explicityly, but their theology sure shouts it out. And God is not dumb."

Nope, they say exactly what the bible says. You just want to twist it a little to make them look bad it seems. Its called building a strawman.

As for the Mat and Luke verses I agree, but this is in terms of spiritual goodness. God isn't going to heal someone if they aren't ready for it.
 
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"Nope, they say exactly what the bible says."

more like what traditions from the dark ages say.

"As for the Mat and Luke verses I agree, but this is in terms of spiritual goodness."

talk about twisting and adding to scripture.

and on another thread, you say God will meet our needs not wants -- now i dont suppose you are also saying "needs" here are just spiritual? so u wear spiritual clothes and eat spiritual burgers and sleep on a spiritual bed?
 
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Andrew do you have a degree with twisting people's words? you do it quite well.

1. I never said he didn't met your physical needs
2. the passage in luke and Mat, in my view are talking about your spiritual condition
3. 1 and 2 do not conflict.

Now, please stop putting words in my mouth, talking for me, and anything like this. thanks.
 
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quote: "1. I never said he didn't met your physical needs"

so now you show yourself not only to have a PHD in twisting words of people (as confirmed by hobie, quaffer, Snup) and scripture but you are also forgetful. you forgot what you've posted b4:

proof1: http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15483&perpage=10&pagenumber=19
"God promises to meet our needs. If we walk and talk according to the way we are instructed by His Word then we are blessed. We cannot escape that principal. "

Louis: "Agreed, but its not physical blessings, its spiritual blessings. God isn't a meal ticket, nor is our faith greater then God."

proof2: http://www.christianforums.com/show...perpage=10&highlight=prosperity&pagenumber=10

Louis: "It seems pretty clear to me that Christ came to give us spirutal blessings, not physical ones. He says as much several times."

want me to dig up some more?
 
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Placing all the responsibility for illness onto the sick person helps those with weak faith and a poor understanding of God cope with the dichotomy of a loving God who allows his people to suffer.

They don't have to look to God as the author of all, they can blame the sick person for not having enough of the right kind of faith.

Their God is too small, He can't possibly allow people to suffer for good reasons; all suffering must be bad.

It's like a three-year-old, who thinks his father should give him a motorcycle. Only a bad father would do that, but to the three year old it seems cruel. The boy needs to grow and mature and develop before he can possibly have the wisdom and ablility to drive a motorcycle. The boy needs to learn balance, which is best learned by falling down. And wisdom, which is best learned by observing and experiencing failure. The boy only sees that his father is withholding something desirable, and causing him to have to experience something undesirable--growth.

WOF believers can't understand why God would keep any "good" thing back from those who love, and why He would require them to experience and understand illness, a "bad" thing. But most believers who go through suffering agree that it was one of the biggest blessings they ever got from God. It was a time of growth, hope and closeness with God. Most people who went through suffering say if they had to give up some part of their lives, they would hold on to the time of suffering, because that is when they were closest to God.

God can't trust everyone with suffering. Some people are like the seeds that fall on shallow soil; when times of trouble come, their roots are not embedded deeply enough into God to survive and flourish.

God can only trust suffering to those who will drawn closer to Him because of it, not fall away.
 
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I am not denying ANY suffering.  One must experience some suffering and lack in order to stand in faith for God's deliverence. One must experience suffering and lack in order to know they've been delivered. 

I have suffered and I'm sure there will be future suffering in some way.  But I plan for it to be my standing on the Word of God in faith for His deliverence that brings Him glory.  I want to stand on the Word, not my circumstances.  My circumstances do not change God's Word.

Glorifying God while experiencing illness or poverty is wonderful and that's the way it's supposed to be. But it's the person who brings Glory to God, not illness and poverty.

And, I've known lot's of people who got sick and turned away from God. 
 
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God has His own reasons for allowing sickness and suffering among His own people. To say that all sickness and suffering come from a lack of faith is to deny God His true place--ruler of the universe.

He gives rain to the justified and the unjustified--for his own reasons. He gives blessings to some and pain to others--for His own reasons. He heals some and allows others to die--for His own reasons.

The sourvernity of God is not usurped by humans, no matter what they name and claim.
 
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