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<blockquote data-quote="dzheremi" data-source="post: 72953853" data-attributes="member: 357536"><p>I don't really agree with either of the links. The second seems to be making a simple mathematical error by limiting to notes in the Western scales. But I do not believe that things are that simple. To quote Wikipedia's article on scales: </p><p></p><p>"Due to the principle of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octave_equivalence" target="_blank">octave equivalence</a>, scales are generally considered to span a single octave, with higher or lower octaves simply repeating the pattern. A musical scale represents a division of the octave space into a certain number of scale steps, a scale step being the recognizable distance (or <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interval_(music)" target="_blank">interval</a>) between two successive notes of the scale.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scale_(music)#cite_note-2" target="_blank">[2]</a> However, <strong>there is no need for scale steps to be equal within any scale</strong> and, particularly as demonstrated by <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microtonal_music" target="_blank">microtonal music</a>, <strong>there is no limit to how many notes can be injected within any given musical interval.</strong>" (emphasis added)</p><p></p><p>No doubt some could say "Okay, so you're putting in more notes, but it is still within the octave", which is fine, but on the other hand, if you're just saying "there are X notes and so it's finite because the math will always be according to that number", then if the number of notes (X) is at least <em>theoretically</em> infinite, then so is the result of your math.</p><p></p><p>The first link is just kind of annoying to me personally. As someone who doesn't listen to a lot of Western music, it just rubs me the wrong way when people say "the future of music lies in recognizing that there are Middle Eastern/African/other non-European kinds of music out there." Sure, duh, if you haven't been exposed to that stuff yet you probably should be, but if that recognition begins and ends at "look at all this neat stuff that we can use to make our pop music better!", then I'm pretty sure Paul Simon, Peter Gabriel, Sting, et al. already did that in the 80s and 90s, with very mixed results. Does anyone really want to hear the 2010's version of that "Desert Rose" song by Sting? Maybe I'm just grumpy, but since I didn't like the original, I don't. </p><p></p><p>I think it's a lot more interesting to think about how much music that's <strong>already</strong> out there that you've never heard. Just yesterday I found some very interesting hurdy-gurdy (zafona) music from the 1930s from Galicia (Spain) that I'm really digging. Thanks, YouTube recommendations! </p><p></p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]SBJZOHVjT08[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p>It's not an instrument that I know, but its sound reminds me a little bit of the harmonium that is traditional to certain forms of Indian music:</p><p></p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]cbISkZtJ68U[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p>And believe it or not, both of these songs/artists have been reissued on CD. Just imagine what else is out there that never gets a second chance at life that way. There are still places in the world (e.g., Afghanistan, Somalia, etc.) where music is primarily transmitted on cassette tape, which is only the case in the west for boutique/'hipster' record labels. </p><p></p><p>There's so much music already out there, I can't imagine being concerned that we won't have enough <em>new</em> music.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dzheremi, post: 72953853, member: 357536"] I don't really agree with either of the links. The second seems to be making a simple mathematical error by limiting to notes in the Western scales. But I do not believe that things are that simple. To quote Wikipedia's article on scales: "Due to the principle of [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octave_equivalence']octave equivalence[/URL], scales are generally considered to span a single octave, with higher or lower octaves simply repeating the pattern. A musical scale represents a division of the octave space into a certain number of scale steps, a scale step being the recognizable distance (or [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interval_(music)']interval[/URL]) between two successive notes of the scale.[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scale_(music)#cite_note-2'][2][/URL] However, [B]there is no need for scale steps to be equal within any scale[/B] and, particularly as demonstrated by [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microtonal_music']microtonal music[/URL], [B]there is no limit to how many notes can be injected within any given musical interval.[/B]" (emphasis added) No doubt some could say "Okay, so you're putting in more notes, but it is still within the octave", which is fine, but on the other hand, if you're just saying "there are X notes and so it's finite because the math will always be according to that number", then if the number of notes (X) is at least [I]theoretically[/I] infinite, then so is the result of your math. The first link is just kind of annoying to me personally. As someone who doesn't listen to a lot of Western music, it just rubs me the wrong way when people say "the future of music lies in recognizing that there are Middle Eastern/African/other non-European kinds of music out there." Sure, duh, if you haven't been exposed to that stuff yet you probably should be, but if that recognition begins and ends at "look at all this neat stuff that we can use to make our pop music better!", then I'm pretty sure Paul Simon, Peter Gabriel, Sting, et al. already did that in the 80s and 90s, with very mixed results. Does anyone really want to hear the 2010's version of that "Desert Rose" song by Sting? Maybe I'm just grumpy, but since I didn't like the original, I don't. I think it's a lot more interesting to think about how much music that's [B]already[/B] out there that you've never heard. Just yesterday I found some very interesting hurdy-gurdy (zafona) music from the 1930s from Galicia (Spain) that I'm really digging. Thanks, YouTube recommendations! [MEDIA=youtube]SBJZOHVjT08[/MEDIA] It's not an instrument that I know, but its sound reminds me a little bit of the harmonium that is traditional to certain forms of Indian music: [MEDIA=youtube]cbISkZtJ68U[/MEDIA] And believe it or not, both of these songs/artists have been reissued on CD. Just imagine what else is out there that never gets a second chance at life that way. There are still places in the world (e.g., Afghanistan, Somalia, etc.) where music is primarily transmitted on cassette tape, which is only the case in the west for boutique/'hipster' record labels. There's so much music already out there, I can't imagine being concerned that we won't have enough [I]new[/I] music. [/QUOTE]
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