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Fact-checking Trump's 60 minutes interview

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Listen. The liberal brand has become so toxic that only the most faithful liberal ideologues actually care about anything they have to say. The rest have tuned them out.
It is proven out in the fact that their approval rate is 33%
 
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The Associated Press previously fact-checked Trump’s claim and found the war far from over.​
It was just a cease-fire and that did not hold:

The text called for "respect for the ceasefire" agreed between Rwanda and DRC in August 2024.​
Since the latest deal, both sides have accused each other of violating the ceasefire and the M23 rebels - which the UK and US have linked to Rwanda - have threatened to walk away from peace talks......​
"There's still fighting between Congo and Rwanda - so that ceasefire has never really held," says Margaret MacMillan, a professor of history who taught at the University of Oxford.​
https://www.state.gov/peace-agreeme...the-republic-of-rwanda?utm_source=chatgpt.com
same source:

After four days of strikes, Trump posted that India and Pakistan had agreed to a "FULL AND IMMEDIATE CEASEFIRE"....​
He said this was the result of "a long night of talks mediated by the United States". India, however, played down talk of US involvement: "The talks regarding cessation of military action were held directly between India and Pakistan under the existing channels established between both militaries," Indian Foreign Secretary Vikram Misri said.​
LOL - Pakistan has learned that praising Trump offers them special treatment. They learned how to manipulate Trump.

Israel has since suggested it could strike Iran again to counter new threats.​
"There is no agreement on a permanent peace or on how to monitor Iran's nuclear programme going forward," argues Mr O'Hanlon.​
"So what we have is more of a de facto ceasefire than an end to war, but I'd give him some credit, as the weakening of Iran by Israel - with US help - has been strategically significant."​


Like with many of the other conflicts he claims to have ended, Trump’s role in bringing the violence to an end is unclear. No peace agreement or a firm deal on the future of Iran’s nuclear program has been reached and both Iran and Israel have threatened each other since then.​


from CNN - link is above:

Trump certainly deserves credit for hosting the leaders of Armenia and Azerbaijan at the White House in August, where they finalized a peace agreement, which they first announced some five months earlier.​
While undoubtedly a step forward, the agreement has not been ratified by either country. Several issues remain to be resolved – most notably, Azerbaijan is demanding that Armenia changes its constitution – a move that would likely be rejected by Armenian voters in a referendum.​
The fighting had actually ceased in Sept. 2023.

From the CNN link above:

He says Trump does deserve credit for being willing to push Israel more than previous US leaders.​
"However, this is only stage one and getting to a two-state solution will be even harder. If he pulls that off, he and anyone else key to the success do deserve the Nobel Peace Prize someday," he adds.​

Look at the way Jimmy Carter got the Noble Peace Prize. He hosted the accords between two warring countries (Egypt and Israel). The two countries then eventually, signed a peace deal. Then all three leaders, President Carter, Anway Sadat of Egypt, and Menachem Begin of Isreal, received the Nobel prize. Also, Carter did not send military into cities, weaken NATO, or praise strongarm leaders.
Trump threatened both countries, both heavily dependent on the USA for exports, and the two countries reached an agreement to reduce hostilities. Outright war had not been declared, so agreeing to reduce hostilites, while good, is not the end of a war.
Cambodia's minister nominated Trump for a Noble peace prize, but like other world leaders, he has learned how to manipulate the president in order to gain favor.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles...ark-peace-trade-deals/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
The two countries have long been in dispute - a legacy of the Balkan wars of the 1990s – with tensions rising in recent years.​
"Serbia and Kosovo haven't been fighting or firing at each other, so it's not a war to end," Prof MacMillan told us.​
The White House pointed us towards Trump's diplomatic efforts in his first term.​
The two countries signed economic normalisation agreements in the Oval Office with the president in 2020, but they were not at war at the time.​
https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles...r-historic-peace-deal/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
The two countries were not at war. They have had a bitter dispute over a big hydroelectric dam that Ethiopia built which Egypt and Sudan oppose it as it is on the Nile.
There hasn't been a solution yet. How could Trump stop a war that was not happening?
https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles...r-historic-peace-deal/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

The Abraham Accords did not stop a war. There was no war between the two countries. They were not friendly, but not at war. The agreement was about trade between the two countries and normalizing relations.

Carter did not get the Nobel prize for having the Camp David Accords, but the three leaders got them later once the two warring countries actually signed a peace agreement.

Trump massively overstates his accomplishments, and always has. The stuff mentioned above is what most presidents do, and only two got Nobel Peace Prizes.
 
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Listen. The liberal brand has become so toxic that only the most faithful liberal ideologues actually care about anything they have to say. The rest have tuned them out.
Try to stay on topic.

The conservative brand, and definitely the Trump brand is toxic. The approval polls for him are the lowest of any president at this stage of his presidency. He even beat himself when it comes to low approval.
That is partly due to his over-inflation of his accomplishments.
 
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The approval rating for the Democratic Party is at a historic low - 33%. They have even beat themselves in how much they can run off their own people. That is partly due to their leaving minorities, Unions and much of their everyday working man base aside for men who dress like woman and woke ideology.

In comparison to them - Trump is doing amazingly well.
 
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It is proven out in the fact that their approval rate is 33%
Try to stay on topic which is Trump, and his interview and alternative facts.

HIs approval rating, btw is low:

President Donald Trump’s approval rating just hit the lowest number of his second term, according to a new CNN poll released Monday.​
The CNN poll, conducted by SSRS, found that Trump’s approval rating sank to 37%, marking the lowest point in CNN polling of his second term. His disapproval rating also reached 63%, the highest of either of his terms.​

I believe one of the reasons for his low approval rate and his high disapproval rate is his 'story-telling' like in that interview. Independents Hispanics and blacks have really dropped their approval of him since the election.
In the interview, he claimed he heard a Democratic congressmen fighting for healthcare for illegals recently, but when asked who, he 'didn't want to say'. In other words, he made it up. Most people start seeing through the fabrications he comes up with.
 
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First, it's not cognitive decline. He's always been that way.
Exactly. The Trump of 2016 is the same one we have today.
I think he goes by what he hears, more that making stuff up on his own. Like the Haitians eating pets claim. He said it, but he didn't come up with it.
 
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Okay.
 
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Listen. The liberal brand has become so toxic that only the most faithful liberal ideologues actually care about anything they have to say. The rest have tuned them out.
Yeah....They are at 33%.

Not like those Republicans sky high at 40%.

They really have the pulse on America.
 
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Try to stay on topic which is Trump, and his interview and alternative facts.

HIs approval rating, btw is low:
I'm just giving you a direct reply to your posts.

But since you introduced his approval rating?




FYI - his approval rating is two points higher than his first term and ten points higher than the Democrats in Congress.
 
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I'm just giving you a direct reply to your posts.

But since you introduced his approval rating?

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FYI - his approval rating is two points higher than his first term and ten points higher than the Democrats in Congress.
Those numbers are nothing to brag about. I linked to numbers, but that is not the topic of this thread.

The topic is Trump's 60 minutes interview and his fabrications. Do you have anything to say about that?
 
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The topic is Trump's 60 minutes interview and his fabrications. Do you have anything to say about that?
I already have - with links -

If you want to stay on a specific topic - then stay on it. I'm replying to you introducing thoughts and supposed facts - which I am debunking.
 
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I would concede that Trump has influenced many world conflicts. He also though has created angst among nations like Denmark, Canada, S. Korea and various South American/ Caribbean nations. He is too loose with the facts. Like how blowing up a boat with alleged drug smugglers will save 25,000 American lives. I doubt history will be kind to Trump. We will know soon enough the outcomes of his policies. I don't agree with his foundation though, in putting America and/or money first, I expect that hubris will hurt America.
 
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The Associated Press previously fact-checked Trump’s claim and found the war far from over.It was just a cease-fire and that did not hold:
I am debunking.

Compare sources - Mine - the State Department, Rueters etc - yours - well.... left wing media at best.

Here is the Actual wording of the Peace Agreement

 
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China denies Trump's claim to 60 Minutes about nuclear weapons tests, calls on U.S. to ensure global stability

"China's testing 'em too," Mr. Trump told CBS News correspondent Norah O'Donnell in an interview for 60 Minutes. "You just don't know about it."

"Russia's testing, and China's testing, but they don't talk about it."

North Korea is the only nation known to have conducted a nuclear detonation since the 1990s. China's last known nuclear explosive test was in 1996.

Asked about Mr. Trump's claims on Monday, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Mao Ning told reporters during a press briefing that as a "responsible nuclear-weapons state, China has always ... upheld a self-defense nuclear strategy and abided by its commitment to suspend nuclear testing."

We can set aside China's credibility in general, but on this point, nuclear experts agree Trump is incorrect.
 
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I am debunking.

Compare sources - Mine - the State Department, Rueters etc - yours - well.... left wing media at best.

Here is the Actual wording of the Peace Agreement

Lol But you really aren't.
AP is not left wing. The State Department is is led by a Trump loyalist and I take anything the Trump administration says with more than a grain of salt. The other sources back their stuff up.

The Congo has not signed the economic part of the agreement yet


WASHINGTON/DAKAR/PARIS, Oct 3 (Reuters) - Democratic Republic of Congo and Rwanda will not sign an economic framework this week as expected, four sources familiar with the matter told Reuters on Friday, in another stumbling block for the Trump administration's efforts to implement a peace deal and spur Western investment in the region.​
President Donald Trump is pursuing an ambitious bid to broker peace and draw billions of dollars of Western investment to a region rich in tantalum, gold, cobalt, copper, lithium and other minerals after Rwanda-backed M23 rebels seized two major cities in eastern Congo in January and February, posing the biggest threat to the government in Kinshasa in two decades.​
 
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  • Trump claimed that every boat the U.S. military has blown up in the Caribbean Sea since early September “kills 25,000 Americans” with illegal drugs. With nine boat strikes, that would be well over the total U.S. drug overdose deaths in 2023 and 2024. The administration hasn’t provided details on the boats’ cargo.
  • In talking about the reasons for the boat strikes, Trump repeated his unsupported claim that Venezuela emptied “their prisons” and “mental institutions” into the U.S. through illegal immigration. Experts, including in Venezuela, told us there’s no evidence for that......

Indictments: O’Donnell cited the recent indictments of former FBI Director James Comey, former National Security Adviser John Bolton and New York Attorney General Letitia James — “all public figures who have publicly denounced you” — and asked Trump if their indictments were “political retribution.” “Did you instruct the Department of Justice to go after them?” O’Donnell asked. Trump responded, “No, and not in any way, shape or form.”​
But in a Sept. 20 post on Truth Social, apparently addressed to Attorney General Pam Bondi, Trump cited social media posts calling for the prosecution of Comey, James and Sen. Adam Schiff. “They’re all guilty as hell,” Trump’s post said, adding, “We can’t delay any longer … JUSTICE MUST BE SERVED, NOW!!!”​
Comey was indicted five days later on Sept. 25 on charges of lying to Congress. James was indicted on Oct. 9 on charges of mortgage fraud. And Bolton was indicted on Oct. 16 for mishandling classified national defense information obtained during his tenure in the first Trump administration. As we wrote, some legal analysts have said that the government appears to have a strong case against Bolton – more so than it does against Comey or James.​

The cases against Comey and James are falling apart badly.


 
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I didn't say that.

I also have the right to post here like other members.

If you have complaints about the administration, take it to support. This is not the place.
Very well.
 
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