Ezek 28:12-19 -- this is where God speaks to the devil?

The 1000 years will not be on this earth--we are taken to be with God--this earth is left empty and void--referred to as a bottomless pit where Satan is bound---it is empty, no one to tempt for a 1000 years, a crumbling, destroyed earth.
The dead in Christ are raised and go to heaven with Christ, the rest are dead.

(Rev 20:4 KJV) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
(Rev 20:5 KJV) But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
(Rev 20:6 KJV) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
Jer 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
Jer 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
Jer 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.

Berean777 said:

Thankyou kindly for your reply, it is very much appreciated.

Yes, I do concur with you that Jesus raised several peoples from the dead state during the time of his ministry, however in Matthew 27:52-53 those being raised, were raised after Christ's resurrection and in this regard it was no like those being raised before his resurrection. The question arises, as to who raised them? If you say God the Father, then you must correlate it not to Christ's ministry but to that of the Old Testament prophetic word in Ezekiel 37:11-14. Also why were they raised after Christ's resurrection in sequence is on the basis of probability implying that those Old Covenant Saints who were waiting in their graves according to Ezekiel 37:11-14 and the hope that they had of Messiah coming and raising them, must be pointing to the commencement of the long awaited resurrection of the dead, otherwise there was not point for them to be raised in the first place, which would take away focus from the forerunner to the resurrection of the dead Jesus Christ. Why did the Lord after being raised go to speak to those spirits of the Old Covenant Saints to make a proclamation, if they needed not know anything if they were to resume their state for another 2000 years and counting. The proclamation that Christ made to them, must therefore be tied to why they were raised in Matthew 27:52-53, otherwise there is not rationale reasoning as to why Christ would need to make a proclamation to them and for them to be raised after Christ's resurrection. The firstfruts of the harvest according to Revelation 14 are the 144,000, consisting of all the children from the 12 tribes of old covenant Israel.

Lastly, if Christ rules on earth for a 1000 years with those who had part in the 1st resurrection, after his second coming, then how could you place those not being raised living on the same planet, after all how could there be procreation and death going on, whilst the Lord reigns on earth?

Christ said in the resurrection they shall not be married but will be like angels in heaven, so how could you have fleshies running around fornicating before the Holy Lord and the Holy ones with him?

The condition of the second coming is to put down the last enemy death before he can reign. So how could you place the living and Holy Lord in a dying planet surrounded by people fornicating and dying and going to hell. The brilliant coming of the Lord must end all suffering and death and this means that after the last trumpet is sounded death and hell will be thrown i the lake of fire, the second death. Therefore the 1st resurrection highlights the imprisonment of Satan and the beginning of the reaping from the harvest, where Christ was the forerunner, followed by the old covenant first fruits, then every new covenant believer in turn, after they die. The last trumpet sounding signifies the end/gleaning of the harvest. Rosh (awake) Hoshanah (sad/sleepy ones) which happens across a ten day period with 100 trumpet blasts symbolizes the harvest from the start to the end, where the last trumpet call is the longest to signal the end of the harvest. When we multiply the 10 days by 100, we get 1000, the symbolic millennium.



All New Covenant believers after declared those who go through the great tribulation and make their robes white by the blood of the lamb of God. (Revelation 7:14)

Jesus Christ said that the world in his fleshly state will see me no more, so how can he go back on his word and make an entrance into the world?

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Jesus disciples understood that there would be a resurrection to everlasting life at the last day (end of our age)
Jesus told Martha " your brother will arise AGAIN "-John 11:23-24
Jesus was going to summon Lazarus from the grave and he would walk again in a physical body but he was not resurrected as a spiritual being yet. That would occur in the first resurrection at the last trump at the time of Jesus second coming-1 Cor 15.
The dead in Christ will rise first-1 Thess 4:16
Rev 20:6 tells us those in Christ will reign with Him a thousand years. Reign over what? Those still left alive on earth. The risen saints from the 1st resurrection will be spirits but everyone else left on earth will be still physical.The first resurrection saints will be priests and kings and will reign on the earth (not heaven-scripture does not support that) - Rev 5:10
Rev 20:5-this first part of the verse-but the rest of the dead lived not(resurrected) again until the 1000 years were finished- is parenthetical (inserted only to explain or qualify something).
The rest of verse 5-" This is the first resurrection" is referring to verse 4.
Rev 21, 22 shows the Kingdom of God being set up on earth
This is the gospel or good news that Jesus taught during His ministry.

jacobs well said:

Jesus disciples understood that there would be a resurrection to everlasting life at the last day (end of our age)
Jesus told Martha " your brother will arise AGAIN "-John 11:23-24
Jesus was going to summon Lazarus from the grave and he would walk again in a physical body but he was not resurrected as a spiritual being yet. That would occur in the first resurrection at the last trump at the time of Jesus second coming-1 Cor 15.
The dead in Christ will rise first-1 Thess 4:16
Rev 20:6 tells us those in Christ will reign with Him a thousand years. Reign over what? Those still left alive on earth. The risen saints from the 1st resurrection will be spirits but everyone else left on earth will be still physical.The first resurrection saints will be priests and kings and will reign on the earth (not heaven-scripture does not support that) - Rev 5:10
Rev 20:5-this first part of the verse-but the rest of the dead lived not(resurrected) again until the 1000 years were finished- is parenthetical (inserted only to explain or qualify something).
The rest of verse 5-" This is the first resurrection" is referring to verse 4.
Rev 21, 22 shows the Kingdom of God being set up on earth
This is the gospel or good news that Jesus taught during His ministry.

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Why didn't he setup that Kingdom the first time?

My Kingdom is not of this world, so wy does Jesus link his Kingdom to his Father's house?

Are you saying that saints are raised and physically rule on earth, over those remaining alive?

This would put them under the temptations of this world, right?

In addition, the saints would also witness death, as those alive are dying around them, so this earthly reign not only contradicts what Jesus said about his Kingdom not being of this world but also the following.....

1Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”a for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’b or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

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Jesus comes to put down the last enemy called death, how could death and mouring continue after his brilliant coming?

If Jesus comes and reigns in the midst of his people/saints then it must be the new heaven and the new earth. Jesus doesn't come to a fallen people and a destroyed planet with death abound and Satan allowed to live again to make one last effort to try and destroy the Kingdom.

How does Christ let alone the saints reign with the foreknowledge that the reign is going to end and the adversary the devil will be loosed again to attack them?

I think when you place all these events in th future and not the past, present and futurr you end up making everything before that event irrelevant and this is a major red flag thst I have noticed in your eschatology of end times.

I believe the reign that scripture talks about are those who have passed from death and onto resurrection, to be reunited with Christ in his Father's house in heaven. That is why John was told to measure he inner court but not he outer. The outer being where the two witnesses are. The two witnesses are preaching throughout the millennium and this means that the millennium must encompass the great harvest, where by, through the great commission to preach the gospel, the witnesses (church) of Christ are making disciples of the gentile world. The millennium is a time where Satan isn't allowed to interfere with the great commission, until the end where he manages to kill the witnesses. This event happens when Satan is released and makes war with the church for the last and final time to silence it the gospel of Jesus Christ. It is at the brilliant coming of Christ that the harvest is declared as ended by the last trumpet call and Satan to be thrown in ther lake of fire. The end of the millennium soaks the new heaven and the new earth and the last enemy death is defeated but Christ and Christ becomes subject to the Father.

Berean777 said:

Why didn't he setup that Kingdom the first time?

My Kingdom is not of this world, so wy does Jesus link his Kingdom to his Father's house?

Are you saying that saints are raised and physically rule on earth, over those remaining alive?

This would put them under the temptations of this world, right?

In addition, the saints would also witness death, as those alive are dying around them, so this earthly reign not only contradicts what Jesus said about his Kingdom not being of this world but also the following.....



Jesus comes to put down the last enemy called death, how could death and mouring continue after his brilliant coming?

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Jesus came the first time as our redeemer and calls for repentance and baptism. He brought a new Covenant understanding and built His church.
The Millennium is the promised Kingdom of God of Christ ruling the earth at the time of His return.
His saints will be resurrected first or transformed and will reign in positions of co-rulership with Him as immortal spiritual beings-Rev 1:6, 5:10, 19:16
The saints will not be subject to the second death.
All physical people left during the Mill will be subject to the first death but will have the opportunity of salvation in a world of peace,harmony,health, and prosperity. without satan's influences.There will be no more war, extremes in weather.
There will be one religion and all will honor God for the blessings that will be poured out onto them.The prophets like Isaiah, Joel,Zephaniah all foretell of this.
The second resurrection is the rest of the dead-everybody who ever lived and did not have a chance of salvation, or have never heard of the name of Jesus Christ. They will have a period of time to qualify to enter the Kingdom of God.
This is the Great White Throne Judgment when all are judged-Rev 20:11-12
Rev 21 shows us the new earth that emerges with everyone now spirit beings and living on earth with God-verses 3-7
Then there will be no more death ever.

Berean777 said:

If Jesus comes and reigns in the midst of his people/saints then it must be the new heaven and the new earth. Jesus doesn't come to a fallen people and a destroyed planet with death abound and Satan allowed to live again to make one last effort to try and destroy the Kingdom.

How does Christ let alone the saints reign with the foreknowledge that the reign is going to end and the adversary the devil will be loosed again to attack them?

I think when you place all these events in th future and not the past, present and futurr you end up making everything before that event irrelevant and this is a major red flag thst I have noticed in your eschatology of end times.

I believe the reign that scripture talks about are those who have passed from death and onto resurrection, to be reunited with Christ in his Father's house in heaven. That is why John was told to measure he inner court but not he outer. The outer being where the two witnesses are. The two witnesses are preaching throughout the millennium and this means that the millennium must encompass the great harvest, where by, through the great commission to preach the gospel, the witnesses (church) of Christ are making disciples of the gentile world. The millennium is a time where Satan isn't allowed to interfere with the great commission, until the end where he manages to kill the witnesses. This event happens when Satan is released and makes war with the church for the last and final time to silence it the gospel of Jesus Christ. It is at the brilliant coming of Christ that the harvest is declared as ended by the last trumpet call and Satan to be thrown in ther lake of fire. The end of the millennium soaks the new heaven and the new earth and the last enemy death is defeated but Christ and Christ becomes subject to the Father.

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Good point. I wonder also why Satan would be released after an incredible and wonderful 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ.
There does not seem to be a specific explanation given any where for this.
However, during the Mill people will have the choice of only one way of life-the way Christ teaches them. But from the beginning God has always allowed people to choose between good and evil. God has always tested His people to see what is in their hearts and will they stay faithful to God when under the deceptions of Satan.
Once this test is over, Satan will never be around anymore.
This is God's plan He has laid out.
The enormity of it is hard to imagine.
Billions of people resurrected back to a physical life to learn the truth of God for the first time, repent, but subject to temptations and ultimately a judgment.

Bobinator said:

No. He's speaking about Adam. In both books, God addresses the recipient as a man. Satan is a spirit. Before then, he was described as a serpent, albeit in the spirit.

If God created man in His image, then surely Adam was created with perfection and was spiritually pure before God. He spoke with God face to face everyday. Adam was glorious and was given dominion over the Earth and all of God's creations. He never gave this to any angel.

If you believe these scriptures are referring to the devil, then you must explain what Satan was prior to Genesis 3:14.

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In the apocrypha, it was Azazel who led the 200 angel fall, and use a serpent avatar to speak through. It was not the devil/"the satan"/Heylel

BobRyan said:

Adam was never a "Covering Cherub" -- only Angels are.
Adam was never claiming to "Be like God" --- only Satan did that - as Lucifer
What did the serpent tell Eve? Did he not tempt her with being "like God"? Did Adam and Eve not eat the fruit because they wanted to be like God? Who was deceived? Adam and Eve, or the serpent? Do your research on the word "lucifer". It is a Latin word that is an adjective, not a Noun. Older versions of the King James Bible used a small "L", until Christians bought the lie and started printing Bibles using lucifer as a name. The word is translated to mean "bright morning star." In the 1Corin. 15:45, Paul draws a comparison between Adam and Jesus. In Revelations 22:16, Jesus calls himself the "bright morning star" (lucifer).

Both scriptures in Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel refer to a man. Let's not change scripture to suit our own ideas.

Adam was never destroyed by fire coming from within him -- that only will happen to Satan -- still future.
Not sure where this came from or where you're going with this.



He was Lucifer - the covering cherub - in heaven - until he lead 1/3 of the angels in rebellion - was cast out of heaven and then tempted mankind in Eden.
Research the word "cherub". There are multiple meanings, including "innocence" and "purity" like a new born babe. Was Adam not given the task to keep the Garden and take dominion over the Earth and all its creatures? Seems to me like he was a covering cherub. He did name all the animals, did he not?

You still haven't addressed the question as to what the devil was before Genesis 3:14.

You need to back your statements up with scripture. The only scripture that speaks of a war between the devil and God's angels is Revelations 12, which hasn't occurred yet. Therefore, it is being taken out of context. Otherwise, there is no scripture anywhere that speaks of an angelic rebellion prior to Genesis.

Furthermore, read Job Chapter 1 and 2. Does it look like Satan was kicked out of heaven?

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My responses above.

jacobs well said:

Jesus came the first time as our redeemer and calls for repentance and baptism. He brought a new Covenant understanding and built His church.
The Millennium is the promised Kingdom of God of Christ ruling the earth at the time of His return.
His saints will be resurrected first or transformed and will reign in positions of co-rulership with Him as immortal spiritual beings-Rev 1:6, 5:10, 19:16
The saints will not be subject to the second death.
All physical people left during the Mill will be subject to the first death but will have the opportunity of salvation in a world of peace,harmony,health, and prosperity. without satan's influences.There will be no more war, extremes in weather.
There will be one religion and all will honor God for the blessings that will be poured out onto them.The prophets like Isaiah, Joel,Zephaniah all foretell of this.
The second resurrection is the rest of the dead-everybody who ever lived and did not have a chance of salvation, or have never heard of the name of Jesus Christ. They will have a period of time to qualify to enter the Kingdom of God.
This is the Great White Throne Judgment when all are judged-Rev 20:11-12
Rev 21 shows us the new earth that emerges with everyone now spirit beings and living on earth with God-verses 3-7
Then there will be no more death ever.

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Please explain to me, what the term immortal spiritual beings mean to you?

Also please explain to me, how the the immortal spiritual beings will rule/reign over the mortal human beings?

Thank you kindly

jacobs well said:

Good point. I wonder also why Satan would be released after an incredible and wonderful 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ.
There does not seem to be a specific explanation given any where for this.
However, during the Mill people will have the choice of only one way of life-the way Christ teaches them. But from the beginning God has always allowed people to choose between good and evil. God has always tested His people to see what is in their hearts and will they stay faithful to God when under the deceptions of Satan.
Once this test is over, Satan will never be around anymore.
This is God's plan He has laid out.
The enormity of it is hard to imagine.
Billions of people resurrected back to a physical life to learn the truth of God for the first time, repent, but subject to temptations and ultimately a judgment.

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As you have put it, the incredible and wonderful 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ will be interrupted by Satan's release. You know one vivid statement of Christ comes to mind and it is as follows........

24But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.”

25Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?27And if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28But if it is by the Spirit of God that I drive out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. (Matthew 12:24-28

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The statement above also applies to the very notion that Christ will do the unthinkable by releasing Satan, by giving him the chance to divide his Kingdom and to interrupt the millennium reign of the Saints. This would not only be against the very statement above of how Christ operates, but it will place Christ as a saboteur of his own Kingdom, by doing the opposite, that is to DRIVE IN demons, back into the world and into humanity. This action will not only be counterintuitive and self defeating, that it places the Saints who were once saved, at risk and in Satan's firing line, which totally goes against all scriptural ethics to how God operates. How could the immortal spiritual beings that were once saved, be placed in a position whereby Satan can torment them and place them in a context of situation, whereby they will again witness death and mourning?

The scriptures state that Satan can only effect emotionally and consciously mortal human beings and not those in heaven with Christ, for it is written.........

4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.” (Revelation 21:4)

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Are you saying that at the end of millenium, the immortal spiritual beings will yet again be put in a context of situation where they will witness death and mourning all over again?

How can this statement apply to them, after they are taken to the safety of the heavenly reign with Christ........

Revelation 12:10-12
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

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If we apply the above versus with the brilliant coming of the Lord and the millennium reign of the Saints in heaven, who come to earth, then we come to the inevitable context of situation, that is, the Saints will also face the wrath of Satan after his release.

It comes done to why Christ releases Satan, if this results in his Kingdom coming under fire again, at the end of the millennium.

You know there is an old adage, that if it is too good to be true, then it usually is, this means that any notion of Satan being pegged against the Saints who have been redeemed, is a no no.

This means that the millennium reign cannot be on earth, but in heaven, that is Christ's Father's house. So when Christ comes in his brilliant coming, it will be the new heaven and the new earth and death and hell cannot continue past this event. Therefore the millennium must be before Christ's brilliant coming. At his brilliant coming it is written, that he would at that time have delivered the Kingdom to God the Father and that God will be found all in all those who had part in the first resurrection, which would have to have been before his brilliant coming, from the time of the old covenant saint's graves being opened in Matthew 27:52-53.

BobRyan said:

No - according to Christ "in this world you have trouble"

According to Paul -- Satan is the "god of this world" 2Cor 4:4.

In the Bible - Satan comes to the councils of God - in Job 1 and Job 2 -- representing "Earth".

In Matt 4 Satan says the "Earth is mine and I give it to whomever I wish" .

In Rev 12 -- Satan is cast down -- specifically to THIS world at the cross. No more access to the councils of heaven for Satan after the cross.

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After the cross Satan is a defeated foe, who still is on the prowl to devour those not having the Holy Ghost covering of protection. As Christ said, I will not leave you as orphans, I will come to you (John 14:18). Again Christ says that he stands at the door of our hearts and knocks and if any person hears his voice, through the conviction of their hearts and opens up to him, then Christ will enter in, through the power of the Holy Ghost and to SUP with that individual. In reality Christ reigns in our hearts and we consider ourselves dead to the world, yet we know that our flesh is destined for destruction, but it is never the intention to preserve our flesh, but to save our souls, through the Holy Ghost seal of guarantee, that is given to those in Christ and in this regard Paul defines the born again in Christ as prisoners of Christ and if so be prisoners of Christ, how can the devil have any claim of authority over them, within the spiritual context, considering that we are dead to the world?

From a spiritual context we are reigning with Christ, within the outer unmeasured court of the unbelieving world at large, so long as we stay prisoners of Christ. Those in the heavenly measured inner court room, are already with the temple, who is Christ and their reign is complete, as they have entered in through the 1st resurrection and the worries of the flesh does not apply to them anymore and it is they who are priests of God. Those within the outer unmeasured court room are in the world and are the symbol of the two witnesses (the church and body of Christ), who stand as two olive trees, administering the golden oil of salvation, through the preaching of the gospel of Jesus Christ and reigning down the fire of the Holy Ghost, as many times as they wish, through their testimony of Jesus.

The symbol of the the Law (Moses) and the prophets (Elijah) as shown on the mount of transfiguration is the Commssiion of the church (1st century pregnant women) and those who hold the testimony of Jesus, who are her offsprings. The Lord has written the law in their hearts and as Joel and Peter who refered to Joel, said they shall prophesy/preach. The symbol of the two witnesses are all the born again new covenant faithful, who are indwelled by the Spirit of truth, for it is written the testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of prophesy and in this regard John in his revelation is clearly told that the outer unmeasured courtroom is given to the unbelievers of the earthly realm, where by the two witnesses operate in, whilst prophesying/preaching the gospel and administering the Holy Ghost fire upon the once enemies of Christ. The war is for the hearts and minds of humanity and the testimony of the two witnesses (the church and body of Christ) is tied to the Great Commission that was shown to the disciples (the stars on the head of the pregnant women/church), on the mount of transfiguration and Christ told them to tell no man until he sent them in twos (symbol of the two witnesses) into every town.

Christ is reigning supreme in heaven and on earth through the church and those who hold the testimony of Jesus Christ (two witnesses). Satan on the other hand reigns on earth only and is slowly being pushed out of his once strong dominion, because he is loosing the war for the hearts and minds of humanity and it will come a time, that he will yet again as he did in the first century, perpetrate a world wide Calvary of the two witnesses (body of Christ), by using a lamb/christ like false Christainity that will persecute and kill the true church by deceptive means as part of the strong delusion and the coming of the lawless one, who perpetrates the great falling away from the faith. The lawless one must inspire the ten patriarchal kings of the main denominations to follow his agenda and to unite under a false peace, owing to a counterfeit gospel, hence lamb like second beast gives life to the first beast that persecuted the pregnant women (Jewish church) in the 1st century, before the beast was cast into the lake of fire in 70AD. This time he will cause an insurrection from within the church denominations who are the the Kings who give their powers over to the beast (man of sin), for one hour before the brilliant coming of the Lord, who will come and destroy all those who had pleasure in unrighteousness (wholesale slaughter of his Church), who by their evil deeds will perish because they succumbed to the strong delusion to support the beast of the 21st century.

We see a parallel of the events of the 1st century coming again for the last and final time in the 21st century after Satan is released/allowed to do the unthinkable to what he knows he can't do. Satan does the unthinkable because he wants out, he wants to be put out of his misery and in this regard he is going to do a scorched earth policy like Saddam (crash and burn), by burning the cities of the world and inflicting as much pain and devastation upon humanity, that he will try and put blame on those who continue to preach Christ and the gospel truth. The Holy Bible will be banned and the church severely persecuted around the world. This will be a world wide Calvary, that is Gog and Magog.

Berean777 said:

Please explain to me, what the term immortal spiritual beings mean to you?

Also please explain to me, how the the immortal spiritual beings will rule/reign over the mortal human beings?

Thank you kindly

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1 Cor 15:52 - shows that it is at the resurrection that the saved will gain immortality as spiritual beings which is everlasting life.

Satan's constant influence to cause people to sin will be replaced by spirit beings (the saints who have been saved in the 1st resurrection) who will help guide people into godly paths - Isaiah 30:20-21
It would be a big change in human life during the Mill with interaction of the spirit world with human beings.
Revelation 5:10 makes clear we will reign on the earth with God.
Matt 5:10-" Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
Christians do not go to float around in heaven when Christ returns, they will be on earth, ruling over the Kingdom of God.

jacobs well said:

1 Cor 15:52 - shows that it is at the resurrection that the saved will gain immortality as spiritual beings which is everlasting life.

Satan's constant influence to cause people to sin will be replaced by spirit beings (the saints who have been saved in the 1st resurrection) who will help guide people into godly paths - Isaiah 30:20-21
It would be a big change in human life during the Mill with interaction of the spirit world with human beings.
Revelation 5:10 makes clear we will reign on the earth with God.
Matt 5:10-" Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
Christians do not go to float around in heaven when Christ returns, they will be on earth, ruling over the Kingdom of God.

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I see. Interesting indeed. The Saints are spirit beings who rule over mens hearts and minds to beat Satan in the spiritual war for the hearts and minds. Then they return with Christ to take on a bodily form at the end of the millennium right?

Berean777 said:

As you have put it, the incredible and wonderful 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ will be interrupted by Satan's release. You know one vivid statement of Christ comes to mind and it is as follows........




The statement above also applies to the very notion that Christ will do the unthinkable by releasing Satan, by giving him the chance to divide his Kingdom and to interrupt the millennium reign of the Saints. This would not only be against the very statement above of how Christ operates, but it will place Christ as a saboteur of his own Kingdom, by doing the opposite, that is to DRIVE IN demons, back into the world and into humanity. This action will not only be counterintuitive and self defeating, that it places the Saints who were once saved, at risk and in Satan's firing line, which totally goes against all scriptural ethics to how God operates. How could the immortal spiritual beings that were once saved, be placed in a position whereby Satan can torment them and place them in a context of situation, whereby they will again witness death and mourning?

The scriptures state that Satan can only effect emotionally and consciously mortal human beings and not those in heaven with Christ, for it is written.........



Are you saying that at the end of millenium, the immortal spiritual beings will yet again be put in a context of situation where they will witness death and mourning all over again?

How can this statement apply to them, after they are taken to the safety of the heavenly reign with Christ........



If we apply the above versus with the brilliant coming of the Lord and the millennium reign of the Saints in heaven, who come to earth, then we come to the inevitable context of situation, that is, the Saints will also face the wrath of Satan after his release.

It comes done to why Christ releases Satan, if this results in his Kingdom coming under fire again, at the end of the millennium.

You know there is an old adage, that if it is too good to be true, then it usually is, this means that any notion of Satan being pegged against the Saints who have been redeemed, is a no no.

This means that the millennium reign cannot be on earth, but in heaven, that is Christ's Father's house. So when Christ comes in his brilliant coming, it will be the new heaven and the new earth and death and hell cannot continue past this event. Therefore the millennium must be before Christ's brilliant coming. At his brilliant coming it is written, that he would at that time have delivered the Kingdom to God the Father and that God will be found all in all those who had part in the first resurrection, which would have to have been before his brilliant coming, from the time of the old covenant saint's graves being opened in Matthew 27:52-53.

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Rev 20:5 shows clearly that satan will be released after the thousand years and will deceive nations again for a certain period of time. This is not my interpretation, it is from the inspired word of God, the Holy Scriptures. In other words, Jesus is telling us this. What should we believe?
The saints are untouchable, they are now spirit beings, immortal, saved, only the physical human beings are at risk of the second death if they do not choose God's ways over satan's.
We must go with what the Bible says rather than speculate on what our view might be.

jacobs well said:

Rev 20:5 shows clearly that satan will be released after the thousand years and will deceive nations again for a certain period of time. This is not my interpretation, it is from the inspired word of God, the Holy Scriptures. In other words, Jesus is telling us this. What should we believe?
The saints are untouchable, they are now spirit beings, immortal, saved, only the physical human beings are at risk of the second death if they do not choose God's ways over satan's.
We must go with what the Bible says rather than speculate on what our view might be.

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Where will Christ and the Saints be in the millennium reign. Will they be physical beings.