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Why not? We see them...here.Yes we can. If the laws of the universe were so different there, then we wouldn't be seeing things like doppler shift etc.
What remains unanswered?Care to answer the question?
That was very unspecific. Not a very good prophecy.Just after the time when we see animal sacrifices restored, then taken away in Israel..and the final world leader sets up something in the holy place there in Israel called the abomination of desolation. Then will begin a short time of trouble so great the world never has seen anything like it, nor will it ever again.
Why not? We see them...here.
What remains unanswered?
That was very unspecific. Not a very good prophecy.
Oh well, thanks for answering.
Effects we try to explain with earth laws and nothing else.We see them affecting things from over there.
[/quote]No! The distance can't be known to start. No step on the cosmic ladder works unless earth space and time extend all the way out! No sizes then are known either....composition...etc etc.Let's say a star billions of light years away gets brighter, then dimmer, then brighter, then dimmer and so on. We can measure how long it takes for that to happen can't we?
Effects we try to explain with earth laws and nothing else.
No! The distance can't be known to start. No step on the cosmic ladder works unless earth space and time extend all the way out! No sizes then are known either....composition...etc etc.
As for what we see...notice it is here?? We see it here, and in our time! Our space! We can say that a star blinks every 2 days or something..our time. Not a lot more than that.
Since we see it all from here, our laws would be a factor. There are many mysteries in cosmology actually though.Laws which match what we see perfectly.
That works for lightning and thunder. That would be on earth if you notice.Idiocy. If you see a light flashing in the distance, are you able to count how often it flashes without knowing how far away it is?
Well if you mean time...one would assume so. The way time is seen here need not be the way that time corresponds to an event at source in deep space. You just don't know.Does the transition into our local space and laws (assuming you are correct) change the rate at which things happen?
Well if you mean time...one would assume so. The way time is seen here need not be the way that time corresponds to an event at source in deep space. You just don't know.
Since we see it all from here, our laws would be a factor.
There are many mysteries in cosmology actually though.
That works for lightning and thunder. That would be on earth if you notice.
Well if you mean time...one would assume so. The way time is seen here need not be the way that time corresponds to an event at source in deep space. You just don't know.
Oh? Who made that rule?Time is not constant, rather it is relative.
Many things are not predicted, not all come true. The best explanation for this and the 95% dark stuff you had to declare to try to hammer the 5% into an earth state reality, is that you are partially informed.That does not stop us or forbid us in any way from observing what we think are distant objects, from Earth and from our solar system (which we've already managed to leave, essentially) - and extrapolating predictions about their behavior; and then observing to see if those predictions comes true.
In your mind, maybe. However, you have not shown such details here.Yes, this is done from Earth and from relatively near space - but those predictions have still shown to be accurate. There has not been a single instance of a corroborated calculation arising in observations of the distant universe that doesn't jive with the combination of Einstein and Newton's work.
No. What is observed is observed here and whatever is from far away has to comply while here, or it doesn't get the entry visa.You can say "but that's past my unspecified distance where you can't know what's going on", but if it is possible something 'else' is going on that is contrary to what is observed (the only rational conclusion if you say we cannot "know" what is going on, because either what we see is happening or it isn't) - then one has to ask - "why the discrepancy?".
Me either. We are the hub, the raison d'etre. The big cheese. The coming HQ of the Almighty. The planet where He made man and came and died for us. Your degrading dreams cannot be supported.If we see something that is not actually there, then we are being shown a show. A performance. I cannot imagine anybody believing seriously in a god that sets up a theatrical light show purely to bamboozle such a tiny, irrelevant corner of the universe.
By the way, I read your posts with some fascination...particularly, I'd like to ask you - where is this point that things cease to be 'Earthly' and become "Heavenly" or whatever else you want to call it?
I suspect a fish would be concerned with other things. The light from the fire, of course would be somewhat affected entering the fishbowl.Why? Does a fish looking at the fireplace conclude it's all fake because wood can't burn under water?
If a light located a hundred light years from Earth flashes once a minute, what mechanism would speed that flashing up to once a second when we here on Earth look at it?
On earth, I think we can draw a line in the sand so to speak. 4400 years ago or so, would have been the change for the earth zone.
I suspect a fish would be concerned with other things. The light from the fire, of course would be somewhat affected entering the fishbowl.
That depends if the clocks out there ran on earth time. What we can say is that the light inside our earth zone from there would have had it's time set to the here and now!
False. A different state past is original, and forget about demolishing anything here.snip odd argument.
To demolish your entire assertion completely is not hard, because it's not original, and has been demolished many times before.
False. Don't assume your level of certainty represents all men.Consider this: (for the sake of argument - I think this particular argument is as errant as your fishbowl idea, but I'll pose it just to demonstrate)
You cannot know anything to any degree of certainty beyond your own mind.
If you pick up what you think is a tomato in what you think is a supermarket, you cannot know that it is, despite all the evidence you have that points to the fact it is a tomato. What you observe is observed in your own mind, and whatever is from beyond your own mind has to comply whilst in your mind, or it doesn't get the entry visa.
Nope. Nothing like that. You are groping in the dark. I merely observed the real limits of man's ability and knowledge. I also saw the ancient record of God in the bible.Essentially your position, taken to its logical endpoint, is either a Matrix-like world created by something (if you would like to remain a creationist!), or you are a solipsist.
Can you prove to me, to the same level of "proof" that you demand when you ask for evidence of a same state past, that there is any evidence of the existence of anything beyond your own mind?
Nothing unpleasant about mopping the floor with the competition on faith based claims. The problem is, all that was needed here was a science case. Failing that, we can look at the OP, and clearly realize that kinds are not within the ability of science to discuss intelligently.And way to avoid answering my question. You put politicians to shame with your skills at evading unpleasant questions.
Well, we know it is even in earth space! Look at the experiment with the clocks on the airplane. Change with distance is proven. (of course the full reasoning is to be debated, but the effect is known and tested).How would time be changed by distance?
False. A different state past is original, and forget about demolishing anything here.
False. Don't assume your level of certainty represents all men.
Maybe it would help if you splat the tomato on your face...then it will take on reality that is hard to argue with.
Nope. Nothing like that. You are groping in the dark. I merely observed the real limits of man's ability and knowledge. I also saw the ancient record of God in the bible.
So you want to equate so called science's ability to prove it's basic premises with some man that has trouble with reality. OK. There may be something there.
Nothing unpleasant about mopping the floor with the competition on faith based claims. The problem is, all that was needed here was a science case. Failing that, we can look at the OP, and clearly realize that kinds are not within the ability of science to discuss intelligently.
Well, we know it is even in earth space! Look at the experiment with the clocks on the airplane. Change with distance is proven. (of course the full reasoning is to be debated, but the effect is known and tested).
If space were different far far away, and the fabric of space and time as well, in what way could time not change as one left earth and vicinity??
If space were different far far away, and the fabric of space and time as well, in what way could time not change as one left earth and vicinity??
Nope, not even close. I do not even acknowledge that relativity is the whole cause for the time change in clocks in airplanes that was seen.We know you sure don't.
Ah, you have shot yourself in the foot!
Are you suggesting that relativity works in deep space the same way it works here on Earth? FALSE!!! It's a different state!!!! No relativity!!!! So explain how time can be different!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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