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explain to me the trinity

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dentonz said:
No, we are the makers of this confusion.
if we are the makers of this confusion...then how do we know it isnt all legalism? doesnt it say in the ot God is one? and john 20:17... i am returning to My Father and your Father... My God and your God".. doesnt tht say tht theres either 2 gods or jesus wasnt divine.. and in john 10:18 it says tht Jesus recieved authority frm His Father... so how do we know Jesus isnt like Moses...parting the red sea b/c God showed him how to? if we went by tht... wd we say tht Moses is God too?
Catherineanne said:
If you were offered a God that you could get your head around, what kind of God would that be?
a God who didnt offer confusion contradiction and room for confusion n infighting look at mormonism jehovahs witnesses arians ebionites and mainstream christianitys view of them!!!! God isnt the maker of such confusion.. its us... and lets face it.. the trinity doesnt make sense... it stops more people than it attacts...

dondi.. thanks babe for your attempts at gettin this through t me x


... bt this jst sounds like an eternal modalism... one God... three sides of revealing Himself...... oter times it still sounds like polytheism... im sry, but i really cant get to grips wit it.. even though ive got the "ways" of explaining it... it jst doesnt sound plausible... Jesus wouldnt have prayed to in the garden of whetever its called (LOL) Himself if He ws God.. nobody ws around to see Him pray... so why would He have done it? why would He have to have His human side pray to His Divine side? huh?
 
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Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Joh 20:30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
 
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The Doctrine of the Holy Trinity by Thomas Hopko (http://www.oca.org/OCIndex-TOC.asp?SID=2&book=Doctrine&section=The Holy Trinity)

The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not merely an "article of faith" which men are called to "believe." It is not simply a dogma which the Church requires its good members to "accept on faith." Neither is the doctrine of the Holy Trinity the invention of scholars and academicians, the result of intellectual speculation and philosophical thinking.

The doctrine of the Holy Trinity arises from man's deepest experiences with God. It comes from the genuine living knowledge of those who have come to know God in faith.

The paragraphs which follow are intended to show something of what God has revealed of Himself to the saints of the Church. To grasp the words and concepts of the doctrine of the Trinity is one thing; to know the Living Reality of God behind these words and concepts is something else. We must work and pray so that we might pass beyond every word and concept about God and to come to know Him for ourselves in our own living union with Him: "The Father through the Son in the Holy Spirit" (Eph 2: 18-22).


In Orthodox terminology the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are called three divine persons. Person is defined here simply as the subject of existence and life -- hypostasis in the traditional church language.

As the being, essence or nature of a reality answers the question "what?", the person of a reality answers the question "which one?" or "who?" Thus, when we ask "What is God?" we answer that God is the divine, perfect, eternal, absolute ... and when we ask "Who is God?" we answer that God is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

The saints of the Church have explained this tri-unity of God by using such an example from worldly existence. We see three men. "What are they?" we ask. "They are human beings," we answer. Each is man, possessing the same humanity and the same human nature defined in a certain way: created, temporal, physical, rational, etc. In what they are, the three men are one. But in who they are, they are three, each absolutely unique and distinct from the others. Each man in his own unique way is distinctly a man. One man is not the other, though each man is still human with one and the same human nature and form.

Turning to God, we may ask in the same way: "What is it?" In reply we say that it is God defined as absolute perfection: "ineffable, inconceivable, invisible, incomprehensible, ever-existing, and eternally the same." We then ask, "Who is it?", and we answer that it is the Trinity : Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. In who God is, there are three persons who are each absolutely unique and distinct. Each is not the other, though each is still divine with the same divine nature and form. Therefore, while being one in what they are; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are Three in who they are. And because of what and who they are -- namely, uncreated, divine persons -- they are undivided and perfectly united in their timeless, spaceless, sizeless, shapeless super-essential existence, as well as in their one divine life, knowledge, love, goodness, power, will, action, etc.

Thus, according to the Orthodox Tradition, it is the mystery of God that there are Three who are divine; Three who live and act by one and the same divine perfection, yet each according to his own personal distinctness and uniqueness. Thus it is said that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are each divine with the same divinity, yet each in his own divine way. And as the uncreated divinity has three divine subjects, so each divine action has three divine actors; there are three divine aspects to every action of God, yet the action remains one and the same.

We discover, therefore, one God the Father Almighty with His one unique Son (Image and Word) and His one Holy Spirit. There is one living God with His one perfect divine Life, who is personally the Son, with His one Spirit of Life. There is one True God with His one divine Truth, who is personally the Son, with His one Spirit of Truth. There is one wise and loving God with His one Wisdom and Love, who is personally the Son, with His one Spirit of Wisdom and Love. The examples could go on indefinitely: the one divine Father personifying every aspect of His divinity in His one divine Son, who is personally activated by His one divine Spirit. We will see the living implications of the Trinity as we survey the activity of God in his actions toward man and the world.
 
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Stick out your finger. Look at the end of it. It is length, width and hight all at the same time. Look at your watch. It is The moment you're looking at is past, present and future all at once. You are body, mind and spirit. One day your spirit will be seperated from your body, but there will still only be one you.
 
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