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Explain Invincible Ignorance please

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The Pope taught a doctrine known as Invincible Ignorance based on

Romans 2:15Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
15 They show that in their hearts they know what is right and wrong, the same as the law commands, and their consciences agree. Sometimes their thoughts tell them that they have done wrong, and this makes them guilty. And sometimes their thoughts tell them that they have done right, and this makes them not guilty.

Since most people know that they have done wrong. They do not fall under the definition of Invincible Ignorance any more.

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Invincible ignorance, whether of the law or of the fact, is always a valid excuse and excludes sin. The evident reason is that neither this state nor the act resulting therefrom is voluntary. It is undeniable that a man cannot be invincibly ignorant of the natural law, so far as its first principles are concerned, and the inferences easily drawn therefrom. This, however, according to the teaching of St. Thomas, is not true of those remoter conclusions, which are deducible only by a process of laborious and sometimes intricate reasoning. Of these a person may be invincibly ignorant. Even when the invincible ignorance is concomitant, it prevents the act which it accompanies from being regarded as sinful. The perverse temper of soul, which in this case is supposed, retains, of course, such malice as it had. Vincible ignorance, being in some way voluntary, does not permit a man to escape responsibility for the moral deformity of his deeds; he is held to be guilty and in general the more guilty in proportion as his ignorance is more voluntary. Hence, the essential thing to remember is that the guilt of an act performed or omitted in vincible ignorance is not to be measured by the intrinsic malice of the thing done or omitted so much as by the degree of negligence discernible in the act.

It must not be forgotten that, although vincible ignorance leaves the culpability of a personintact, still it does make the act less voluntary than if it were done with full knowledge. "
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IV. ERRONEOUS JUDGMENT

1790 A human being must always obey the certain judgment of his conscience. If he were deliberately to act against it, he would condemn himself. Yet it can happen that moral conscience remains in ignorance and makes erroneous judgments about acts to be performed or already committed.

1791 This ignorance can often be imputed to personal responsibility. This is the case when a man "takes little trouble to find out what is true and good, or when conscience is by degrees almost blinded through the habit of committing sin."59 In such cases, the person is culpable for the evil he commits.

1792 Ignorance of Christ and his Gospel, bad example given by others, enslavement to one's passions, assertion of a mistaken notion of autonomy of conscience, rejection of the Church's authority and her teaching, lack of conversion and of charity: these can be at the source of errors of judgment in moral conduct.

1793 If - on the contrary - the ignorance is invincible, or the moral subject is not responsible for his erroneous judgment, the evil committed by the person cannot be imputed to him. It remains no less an evil, a privation, a disorder. One must therefore work to correct the errors of moral conscience.

1794 A good and pure conscience is enlightened by true faith, for charity proceeds at the same time "from a pure heart and a good conscience and sincere faith."60
Catechism of the Catholic Church - PART 3 SECTION 1 CHAPTER 1 ARTICLE 6
 

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The Pope taught a doctrine known as Invincible Ignorance based on...

You give a good overview. Do you have any specific questions?

In general one is invincibly ignorant when a lack of knowledge causes them to do something that they would not have otherwise done. Additionally, this lack of knowledge cannot be intentional or blameworthy. For example, if you close your eyes when passing the speed limit sign and then drive inordinately fast, you are not invincibly ignorant. This is because your lack of knowledge of the speed limit is intentional and blameworthy, for you know that you have the duty to know and observe speed laws.

Special cases aside, it is just the principle that you can't err accidentally. If you do something that you honestly don't know is wrong, you have not transgressed. If God had not given the command and Adam and Eve had eaten the fruit, then they would not have sinned. It is only because they did what they knew to be wrong that they sinned.
 
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its just a logical conclusion that says if one have no ways of knowing a certain truth, then any sin linked to not knowing this truth can not be imputed. Mosty its about those who havent heard the gospel and have no way of knowing it, how can you then blame them for not believing? Their ignorance is not possible for them to change, in other words it is "invincible". Its not a concept that should cause any confusion about anything in the gospel
 
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What about if someone is confused. They are taught by the Church that something is a sin, but when they reach the age of independent thought, they simply don't see it, don't believe it, and don't live it. I find this is true for many Catholics regarding things like fornication, contraception, etc. It's not that they believe and do it anyhow. They truly are not convinced -- they think Church teaching is in error.

Other times it can be less drastic. They agree something is a sin, but not a mortal sin. For example, they'll say they should be in church, but missing church isn't as bad as murdering someone or embezzling, that the Church is just wrong about that.

Are these forms of invincible ignorance?
 
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What about if someone is confused. They are taught by the Church that something is a sin, but when they reach the age of independent thought, they simply don't see it, don't believe it, and don't live it. I find this is true for many Catholics regarding things like fornication, contraception, etc. It's not that they believe and do it anyhow. They truly are not convinced -- they think Church teaching is in error.

Other times it can be less drastic. They agree something is a sin, but not a mortal sin. For example, they'll say they should be in church, but missing church isn't as bad as murdering someone or embezzling, that the Church is just wrong about that.

Are these forms of invincible ignorance?
exactly. The problem here is that we put very simple and easily understood concept in to heavy words and doctrines. The simple matter of the fact that explains all of this is that god always has, and always will, judge according to the heart! So if someone is confused by weird doctrines and do something that we would call a sin, god does judge by the heart and then it may not be a sin at because he did it our of a pure heart.

Its like what paul explains in romans 14 when it comes to roght conduct for a christian like eating the right food and keeping the sabbath etc. I mean its IN THE LAW, that we must keep the sabbath! :) But he says to some keeping the sabbath is right, to others every day is a sabbath, so they dont care. Both are right according to Paul, becaue its waht their heart tells them that is important. We are therefor free from the regulations of a law, becaue we can now follow the law of the spirit, which is more of a organic intuitive understanding of the heart, and as long as we do that we can not be judged as sinners, becaue our hearts will always be rigth. Even when we miss something, our hearts was still to do the right thing, so we will still be rigtheous. And of course this is all made possible by the blood of Jesus.

Its like lying. The 10 commandments tells us not to lie. However, people have lied to authorities in order to save the lives of people, f instance when they hid jews in the rhouses and leid to the nazis. Techinicaly, judged from a human opint of view, the did a sin by lying to the nazis!! But of course that is not the truth. THey were bold heroes for saving lives. THEIR HEARTS was ont driven by the selfish motivation to seduce anyone, but to save a life. So they will not be convicted a liars by God because he sees their heart. I know christians that literally would judge them as liars, because they belieive in following the eltter of the law rather than the heart of it.

Hope this clöear it up. ITs amazing how SO many things is cleared up when we dent stray from the fact that god judges by the heart.
 
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