Exodus 21:20

[mama2one]

Exodus 21:20


20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall surely be punished.

 

[mama2one]

a rod can kill a man!

yet people believe it's ok to strike a child with a rod
a child who is SO much smaller than a man

 

[Hammster]

Yep.

 

[mama2one]

Spare The Rod And Spoil The Child? – Grace thru faith


"The problem here is that they switch from a literal to an allegorical interpretation in mid-sentence because a strict, literal reading doesn’t make sense. The rule of interpretation is that when the plain sense of a verse makes common sense, seek no other sense. Does beating someone with a rod prevent them from dying as a literal interpretation of this proverb requires us to believe? The plain sense does not make common sense. In addition, the word translated child here is more frequently translated youth or servant. In Israel, if you beat your servant with a rod and he did die, you were guilty of murder. (Exodus 21:20) If beating was a guarantee that the recipient would not die, why the law?"


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[mama2one]

"To prove that Proverbs are not always intended to be taken literally, the first two verses of Proverbs 23 say:

“When you sit to dine with a ruler, note well what is before you, and put a knife to your throat if you are given to gluttony.”

Does this mean that anyone who overeats should slit their own throats? Of course not. The plain sense doesn’t make common sense. This is always the sign that we should seek an allegorical interpretation."


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[mama2one]

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"In his two direct comments about a father’s role in his children’s lives Paul was no doubt drawing from his own Jewish upbringing when he wrote, “Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.” (Ephes 6:4) and Fathers, do not embitter your children, or they will become discouraged. (Colossians 3:21)

In summary then, the notion of inflicting physical punishment on children can’t be supported Biblically. Spanking began as a pagan activity steeped in eroticism, and was brought into the church as a punishment for sin during a time when the Church had forgotten that Jesus was punished for our sins."

 

[sandman]

a rod can kill a man!

yet people believe it's ok to strike a child with a rod
a child who is SO much smaller than a man

No sparing the rod on me ….

*Belts.

*Automotive fan belt → both belt and fan belt were administered by best friend’s dad …my best friend was no saint either.

*broomsticks.

*meter sticks ←in school.

*yard sticks ….also school (catholic) but on the hands

*paddles →homemade with holes, to cut down on wind resistance.

Never a rod…. although a broomstick may come close… but rods were very stout.

And

I liveth! ..... and I deserved everything I got ….and so much more.

God my Father had every right to beat my *** for the things I did ….But for some reason He counted me worthy and acceptable in Christ Jesus……….

 

[Halbhh]

beating someone with a rod

We can emphasize indeed even in a very brief way:

Beating someone with a rod isn't what the proverbs verse is recommending....

As the words don't say "beat" your child. Not in there....

You've got a good summary here:

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"In his two direct comments about a father’s role in his children’s lives Paul was no doubt drawing from his own Jewish upbringing when he wrote, “Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.” (Ephes 6:4) and Fathers, do not embitter your children, or they will become discouraged. (Colossians 3:21)

In summary then, the notion of inflicting physical punishment on children can’t be supported Biblically. Spanking began as a pagan activity steeped in eroticism, and was brought into the church as a punishment for sin during a time when the Church had forgotten that Jesus was punished for our sins."

 

[Shadowkat]

My mother, a single mother of two precocious boys, had a glow in the dark waffle paddle. In the dark of night we’d see that paddle coming and, man, all hope was gone. I know she loved me, though. I miss her. She introduced me to Jesus. She’ll always be my hero.

 

[Robban]

Exodus 21:20


20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall surely be punished.

"Rule of thumb"

If the rod is not thicker than the thumb, it is OK to beat your wife with it.

I read that some years ago.

Wierd how easy to twist words to suit oneself.

 

[mama2one]

"In his two direct comments about a father’s role in his children’s lives Paul was no doubt drawing from his own Jewish upbringing when he wrote, “Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.” (Ephes 6:4) and Fathers, do not embitter your children, or they will become discouraged. (Colossians 3:21)

In summary then, the notion of inflicting physical punishment on children can’t be supported Biblically.

I must emphasize this again.

 

[mama2one]

tmi

 

[Hammster]

At the age of 6, I knew my parents could not be trusted & that they were NOT in my corner.

I was threatened if I did anything that mom didn't like such as making a noise when mom was taking her daily nap. Threatened that she'd tell dad & he'd beat me.

At the age of 6, I was already wise as they never were going to be there for me. They treated me as the scapegoat of the family. Our family went to counseling when I was a teen & the counselor even recognized/said that I was scapegoat of family.

All of my kids have been spanked, one A LOT more than the others. They all trust me, are well-disciplined, and generally happy people.

I bring that up since it seems that using anecdotes is the proper way to argue.

 

[Hammster]

At the age of 6, I knew my parents could NOT be trusted & that they were NOT in my corner.

I was threatened if I did anything that mom didn't like such as making a noise when mom was taking her daily nap. Threatened that she'd tell dad & he'd beat me.

At the age of 6, I was already knew that my parents didn't care for me. I was an "accident". They treated me as the scapegoat of the family. Our family went to counseling when I was a teen & the counselor even recognized/said that I was scapegoat of family.

What does that have to do with spanking? It seems like there were other issues at play.

 

[mama2one]

tmi

 

[mama2one]

tmi

 

[Hammster]

because at age 6, I got spanked naked for about 1/2 hr cause I didn't get my milk at lunch time

I couldn't catch my breath for a long time as I was crying so hard; then had to KNEEL down in front of mom & apologize

I was already on the shy side & we had to stand up to be counted for milk
decided not to stand up one day....that's the one day, mom hounded me as to whether I got my milk; she never asked before

That’s beating. That’s not spanking.

 

[Hammster]

and probably none of them were a sensitive child like me

I have one daughter that cries if you look at her cross. I didn’t need to spank her nearly as much as her brother who was a bull-headed kid.

 

[Robban]

All of my kids have been spanked, one A LOT more than the others. They all trust me, are well-disciplined, and generally happy people.

I bring that up since it seems that using anecdotes is the proper way to argue.

Are you a spanker?

Hehe,

on a square rigged sailing ship the fore and aft sail,

gaff sail on the aftermost mast is called "spanker".

Is it because you are the "gaffer"


just a little fun with words.

 

[Desk trauma]

Exodus 21:20


20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall surely be punished.

But if it takes a day or two for them to die it’s just fine.