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Well, since you say notto is right, they apparantly have to.supersport said:you're probably right...who said they would? I never claimed animals were invincible...I merely claimed they don't have to wait on their populations to adapt to their climates and surroundings.
supersport said:well, heck EVERY animal can adapt through populations -- otherwise, according to you guys -- no animals would be around.
Random mutation and natural selection. Random mutations do not occur via natural selection. Natural selection works on random mutations.supersport said:All I care to do is shoot down the outdated mechanism of random mutations via natural selection...after that it's all gravy. (I've even let atheists do it for me.)
supersport said:http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/12/04/coolsc.coolsc.mousegenome/
how do you explain this???? How does this fit under neodarwinism?
Through mutations in the regulatory regions of these genes. If genes are expressed at a different time or longer or shorter, this will result in differences. This difference in expression is the result of changes in the regulatory regions of the DNA instead of the regions where the genes themselves are. This has already been covered in this thread a few pages earlier.supersport said:So if you think genes are so important, how do you explain that mice and humans have the same 29,000 genes? How is it that they're expressed so differently to make us different creatures?
Common descent. A nice example is the example of the tail. Both mice and men have the genes for the tail. Only, a mutation in the DNA in men makes sure these genes are not expressed, while this mutation has not occurred in mice.supersport said:http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/12/04/coolsc.coolsc.mousegenome/
how do you explain this???? How does this fit under neodarwinism's umbrella?
notto said:Common descent. For someone who claims they have researched evolution enough to overthrow it, you seem to lack a grasp of some of its more important concepts.
What books on evolution have you read?
AV1611VET said:What's there to collapse, Supersport? Evolution and the Bible are incompatible. I have four axioms against evolution:
- There's no need for evolution, since God created the universe perfect.
- The universe has only been in operation for 6000 years.
- Evolution violates God's principles of love and harmony.
- Since Jesus is pro-Creation, why should His followers be pro-Evolution?
I have an idea that on this topic, maybe a book on genetics would work better for him. Understanding, for example, promotor regions and what they do would have saved him from his a.coli disaster. Understanding what kind of changes can occur because of genetics and why.notto said:Common descent. For someone who claims they have researched evolution enough to overthrow it, you seem to lack a grasp of some of its more important concepts.
What books on evolution have you read?
Well, there is also a lot of difference between the genomes of mice and men. Especially in the regulatory regions. Have you noted that down yet, so you can look it up?supersport said:spare me....you guys have been saying for ever that organs and structures that were specific to different animals came from random mutations built on top of each other over time. This is how you explain the diversity of life....but there's a LOT of diversity that would have to happen between the mouse and man.
Why? Because you don't understand genetics?Give it up...your theory is doomed.
*mumbles: "regulatory regions"*supersport said:But it's not just mice...seems we are two-thirds fly as well:
Humans and fruit flies are closely related. Of the fly's 13,601 genes, scientists believe that possibly two-thirds may have counterparts in humans. If we understand how these genes work in the fruit fly then we gain understanding about how they work in ourselves
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/12/04/coolsc.coolsc.mousegenome/
You are right, it is not just mice, we are also fly as well. We have a common ancestor,as you are so rightly pointing out.supersport said:But it's not just mice...seems we are two-thirds fly as well:
Humans and fruit flies are closely related. Of the fly's 13,601 genes, scientists believe that possibly two-thirds may have counterparts in humans. If we understand how these genes work in the fruit fly then we gain understanding about how they work in ourselves
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/12/04/coolsc.coolsc.mousegenome/
I thought are genes were supposed to build up information!!!? Yet we are no more complex than a mouse or fly!
heheh. Genetics. Learn it, love itMincus said:Well, even if supersport isn't learning anything I am. Thanks for the links. Genetics is somewhat fascinating.
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