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So evolutionary theory would predict that there is no reason why we couldn't one day have a new race of superhuman beings.
Well, depends if the environment favours it.
Has nothing to do with environment- depends on whether God decides to put some smarts back into the human race and kick-starts a beneficial mutation.
The way things are going, I hope He decides to make this happen sooner, rather than later.
Has nothing to do with environment- depends on whether God decides to put some smarts back into the human race and kick-starts a beneficial mutation.
The way things are going, I hope He decides to make this happen sooner, rather than later.
Has nothing to do with environment- depends on whether God decides to put some smarts back into the human race and kick-starts a beneficial mutation.
The way things are going, I hope He decides to make this happen sooner, rather than later.
Has nothing to do with environment- depends on whether God decides to put some smarts back into the human race and kick-starts a beneficial mutation.
The way things are going, I hope He decides to make this happen sooner, rather than later.
Okay...let me rephrase that. Evolutionist believe man evolved from ancient apes.
I don't ask you to take me in any way...serious or not. I ask you to pay attention to what is written.
I accepted it as it is what was taught. I was foolish but I didn't remain so.
I don't refer to people as fools....God did. The choice of verses was mine.
Now, why don't you have the decency to stand by your choice of evolution being what is taught instead of passing it off as "your idea of evolution was for the wrong reason," or "it's not modern apes," etc.
Thank you, so you agree with people's objections to the strawman you raised about what evolution claims.
Seeing as this is your opinion and nothing else, this is about you more than you accept.
Clearly you did, if you think science operates primarily on authority.
So stand by your own choice to do so, instead of passing the blame onto God.
You do realise that parroting your opponent's phrases in a way that makes little to no sense whatsoever isn't a particularly good debate tactic? Maybe just accept that you made a mistake and stop being smug.
Oh, you mean that evolution just has to be true. That God lied to us and instead of creating man in His image, after His likeness, and He doing this while creating them male and female....as WRITTEN...instead He slowly evolved us from apes.
Interesting verse, what do you think it means?
Proverbs 4:5 Get wisdom, get understanding: forget it not; neither decline from the words of My mouth.
Proverbs 4:5 Get wisdom, get understanding: forget it not; neither decline from the words of My mouth.It is interesting.Mark 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
Where did He tell us?Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
The Scriptures. When we are taught we search them to see if it is true...or not. Evolution isn't.John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
To answer your question..we are not to decline from the words of His mouth, means....What is written is truth. When man teaches the opposite of the written word, and the opposite of the revelation of the word as given us by His Spirit then we are to search the scriptures to see if it is true. Wisdom and understanding are there for us.
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So, if you have searched the scripture, where does it say evolution isn't true? You see, I have searched the scripture too, and it doesn't say evolution is a lie. It does speak in metaphors and it does show us how people often misunderstand these metaphors, it regularly uses the the metaphor of people being made of dust, of God being the potter and we are the clay, but I haven't found anywhere we are told to take this literally. Perhaps you have misunderstood?Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.The Scriptures. When we are taught we search them to see if it is true...or not. Evolution isn't.
Job 38:41 Who provides for the raven its prey, when its young ones cry to God for help, and wander about for lack of food?The Bible simply disagrees with evolution - and that is a fact. There is no reconciling Genesis with the hypothesis of evolution.
The god of evolution uses countless and infinite millions of years of death and suffering to achieve his ends. This completely contradicts the account of the Bible:
"And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good." Gen. 1:21
I hardly find anything good about millions upon millions of years of these creatures suffering and dying from various diseases "good." It is astonishing that anyone could arrive at such an interpretation.
"And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good." Gen. 1:25
Here it is again - countless millions of years of suffering and death called "good."
"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day." Gen. 1:31
Of course, this is after God has created the human race - which took countless millions of years of incredible death, pain, and suffering from floods, volcanoes, wild animals, diseases, wars, etc. And every thing that he had made was "very good"?? I think not.
The god of evolution is an incompetent god. He's not a very good designer, and he doesn't care much for his creation. He has no qualms about using millions of years of death, pain, and suffering to achieve his own ends. In short, the god of evolution is not the God of the Bible. And evolution is not how the human race, nor how the world, came about.
A global flood doesn't contradict evolution, it has nothing to do with life evolving over hundreds of million of years. The problem with a global flood is that the evidence says there wasn't one, there is no sign of it in the geological column and no sign of the genetic bottlenecks it would produce if every species on earth descended from a handful of animals a few thousand years ago. But that is a problem for a global flood, not evolution. All there is is the Creationist claim the sediments in the geological column were laid down in the flood. But the bible doesn't say that. That is simply a creationist claim trying to explain the fossil record. All this shows us is that creationists claim evolution isn't true, well we know that anyway. But it isn't the bible contradicting evolution. In fact the bible doesn't even say the flood was global so it isn't even an issue.Evolutionists have misinterpreted the geologic column in favor of evolution, when it is in fact a testament to the global flood of Noah. The Bible claims that Noah's flood was global - and if there was indeed a global flood, then that destroys evolution's claim. Therefore, the sediments that evolutionist's are claiming were laid down over millions of years were in fact (at least, most of them) laid down in a short time during Noah's Flood.
Genesis was telling the truth all along.
Job 38:41 Who provides for the raven its prey, when its young ones cry to God for help, and wander about for lack of food?
Is God not good, is he doing wrong, when he provides prey for the raven and its young?
A global flood doesn't contradict evolution, it has nothing to do with life evolving over hundreds of million of years.
The problem with a global flood is that the evidence says there wasn't one, there is no sign of it in the geological column and no sign of the genetic bottlenecks it would produce if every species on earth descended from a handful of animals a few thousand years ago. But that is a problem for a global flood, not evolution. All there is is the Creationist claim the sediments in the geological column were laid down in the flood. But the bible doesn't say that. That is simply a creationist claim trying to explain the fossil record. All this shows us is that creationists claim evolution isn't true, well we know that anyway. But it isn't the bible contradicting evolution. In fact the bible doesn't even say the flood was global so it isn't even an issue.
Yes, and this is a post-fall raven. The god of evolution most certainly didn't provide for any of his creation, as they underwent millions upon millions of years of death, disease, volcanoes, plagues, suffering, incest, rape, war, famine, flood, disasters, and what not, all so this god of evolution could achieve his own ends. All of this and he claimed that his creation was "very good."
But there is good news. The god of evolution is not the God of the Bible.
We're going to have to disagree on this. I started a thread elsewhere and we can discuss it on there if you want.
We can go around on this all day - the Bible says the flood was global. See my replies on my other thread. But anyways, as far as there being evidence for the Great Flood, it is extensive. I cannot post all of it as that would take way too much time, but here's a starting place for you:
Get Answers - Answers in Genesis
Global Flood (Dr. John Baumgardner's website - a world renowned scientist)
- The True.Origin Archive - (most of these articles are by scientists)
That is only a starting point. There is much more out there. There are literally thousands of credientialed creationist scientists who are just as intelligent as their evolutionist counterparts, and graduate from the same universities.
If rabbits dying would have been bad before the fall, it is just as bad after, and God is doing what intrinsically wrong. Humans sinning should not change God's moral standards.Yes, and this is a post-fall raven.
So God provided prey for raptors but not velociraptors?The god of evolution most certainly didn't provide for any of his creation,
God doesn't send floods?as they underwent millions upon millions of years of death, disease, volcanoes, plagues, suffering, incest, rape, war, famine, flood, disasters, and what not, all so this god of evolution could achieve his own ends. All of this and he claimed that his creation was "very good."
Fortunately the creationism God you are portraying is not the God of the bible, Buddhists and Vegans have a higher moral standard and a more consistent one too.But there is good news. The god of evolution is not the God of the Bible.
We're going to have to disagree on this. I started a thread elsewhere and we can discuss it on there if you want.
We can go around on this all day - the Bible says the flood was global. See my replies on my other thread. But anyways, as far as there being evidence for the Great Flood, it is extensive. I cannot post all of it as that would take way too much time, but here's a starting place for you:
Get Answers - Answers in Genesis
Global Flood (Dr. John Baumgardner's website - a world renowned scientist)
- The True.Origin Archive - (most of these articles are by scientists)
That is only a starting point. There is much more out there. There are literally thousands of credientialed creationist scientists who are just as intelligent as their evolutionist counterparts, and graduate from the same universities.
Most of those people arn't scientists, or arn't in the appropriate fields.
Second of all, whats this god of evolution? Since all the facts point to evolution being true, and the god of the bible is true, they must be the same being.
It may be a shock to Mr. Mark and many other evolutionists, but evolution is not "the only scientifically plausible interpretation" of the pattern of fossil succession. There indeed is a testable alternative. This alternative is related to the ubiquitous evidence of catastrophism in the Paleozoic and Mesozoic portion of the geological record. In my 2/23/95 letter I pointed out how evolutionists seem oblivious to this evidence. Mr. Mark admitted he did not see its relevance.
What is the alternative? It is a catastrophe, driven by processes in the earth's interior, that progressively but quickly resurfaced the planet. An event of this type has recently been documented to have occurred on the planet Venus (see Strom et al, The global resurfacing of Venus, Journal of Geophysical Research, 99, 10899-10926, 1994). This conclusion is based on the high resolution mapping of Venus performed by the Magellan spacecraft that revealed fully 84% of the craters on Venus to be in pristine condition and only 2.5% embayed by lava although intense volcanism and tectonism has erased all earlier craters from the face of the planet. Volcanic and tectonic activity since the resurfacing event has been minimal.
My point here is that there is an alternative explanation for the pattern of fossils observed in the rock record. Instead of an evolutionary sequence, the pattern represents the sequence of destruction of ecological habitat in a global tectonic catastrophe. There exists abundant observational data by which this alternative explanation can be tested in a thorough fashion.
Yes, and this is a post-fall raven. The god of evolution most certainly didn't provide for any of his creation, as they underwent millions upon millions of years of death, disease, volcanoes, plagues, suffering, incest, rape, war, famine, flood, disasters, and what not, all so this god of evolution could achieve his own ends. All of this and he claimed that his creation was "very good."
But there is good news. The god of evolution is not the God of the Bible.
That is only a starting point. There is much more out there. There are literally thousands of credientialed creationist scientists who are just as intelligent as their evolutionist counterparts, and graduate from the same universities.
If rabbits dying would have been bad before the fall, it is just as bad after, and God is doing what intrinsically wrong. Humans sinning should not change God's moral standards.
God doesn't send floods?
In fact, they are scientists, and are in the appropriate fields (and, by the way, "arn't" is spelled "aren't"). Maybe you should try reading some of their papers - because some of them are world-renowned scientists (Russell Humphreys, Kurt Wise, John Baumgardner, etc.). Here's a few of them for you: Creation scientists and other biographies of interest
Nope. The God of the Bible saw his creation, and saw that it was "very good" after he had made Adam and Eve. That means that after countless millions of years of pain, suffering, death, plagues, rape, incest, war, and a thousand calamities, this god of evolution thought that it was "very good."
Sorry, that may work for you, but that ain't gonna fly in reality. The god of evolution and the God of the Bible do not mix. One is evil, cruel, selfish, and does not care in the slightest about his creation nor how many of them die to achieve his selfish ends. The other is kind to the unthankful and evil, created everything good (no death for the human race to begin with), died on the cross for the human race, desires that no one perish, and, eventually, will take anyone who obeys his gospel to a place where there is no death, suffering, plague, nor rape, which is exactly what happened for hundreds of thousands and millions of years according to the hypothesis of evolution.
Here are a few quotes from Baumgardner that I believe to be pertinent:
Origins Debate - Baumgardner: Problems with Evolution
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