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Hugh? Show me an atheist who doesn't believe in naturalism. Religion by definition is a person who believes the universe was caused by a superhuman entity. Atheism likewise is at the other end of the spectrum and believes the universe was ultimately formed by natural causes. Therefore it is impossible to show you a non-religious person who believes in intelligent design...unless he or she is bat axe crazy.
I prefer the opening lines of the 19th Psalm myself, but neither one tells me that Intelligent Design must be demonstrable by the scientific method.
He might well have. But apparently you're not satisfied with that and want to prove it with science--which lacks the epistemological tools to do it.Please tell me what Romans 1:20 means then? What does God mean here when He says He is clearly seen by studying His creation? Did He just mean it would be an undeniable gut feeling?
Yes, a science which you deny because it does not lead to a literal Genesis.Or did He mean that by looking at the things He made we would know that He is? So much so that we would be without excuse? What does the scriptures tell us He made? Is it the natural world and universe? What is the term for knowledge obtained through the study of the natural world and universe with observation and experimentation? Isn't this how we define science?
All science does is give us a sharper vision of things we see already. It's just a tool, like a magnifying glass. If we don't know that God exists through the glory of His creation as we already perceive it directly, then science won't tell us so.So summed up isn't God saying we can know He exists through the study of science? If so then when you say we can't know He exists through the study of science... are you in agreement or disagreement with Him?
I am currently studying a 4 inch thick 20 pound biology textbook and I don't feel they are using similarity arguments to the degree you claim.The kicker is that every last bit of it...relies on similarity arguments. All of it.
Yes, this is a good example of how to detect intelligence. I'm surprised I so infrequently hear of it.Another example would be the way astronomers with SETI institute search for specific compressed light or radio signals coming from deep space. Such signals are very specified and would suggest an intelligent source.
Sadly, the biological designs are very poorly designed, only just barely good enough to survive to mate and pass on some DNA.So if specificity suggests strong evidence for design in these cases then why would it not suggest design when we observe it in things like DNA code? This code is so specified that it warps our most intricate and sophisticated computer software codes by comparison.
Actually there is a third way: Intelligent design as inferred from the fact that the physical constants of the universe are so incredibly fine-tuned as to strongly imply someone tuned them. No ancient book needed for this one.There really are only two possible explanations for the existence of complex life. Just natural unguided processes, or there's this ancient book claiming some great intelligent being designed life.
Actually there is a third way: Intelligent design as inferred from the fact that the physical constants of the universe are so incredibly fine-tuned as to strongly imply someone tuned them.
Another example would be the way astronomers with SETI institute search for specific compressed light or radio signals coming from deep space. Such signals are very specified and would suggest an intelligent source. So if specificity suggests strong evidence for design in these cases then why would it not suggest design when we observe it in things like DNA code?
It is a good example of how we detect "intelligent design" in any object, man-made or otherwise. Not by looking for functionality or complexity, but by looking for signs of intelligent manufacture. In earthly objects it can be tool or mold marks, refined metals or non-natural materials like plastics, etc. What the SETI scientists are looking for is not the will-o'-the-wisp of "specified complexity" but narrow-band microwave signals of a kind not thought to be produced naturally.Yes, this is a good example of how to detect intelligence. I'm surprised I so infrequently hear of it.
18 seconds in and I was done.This video I made on the validity of intelligent design may help.
This video I made on the validity of intelligent design may help.
Yes, a science which you deny because it does not lead to a literal Genesis.
If we don't know that God exists through the glory of His creation as we already perceive it directly, then science won't tell us so.
I am currently studying a 4 inch thick 20 pound biology textbook and I don't feel they are using similarity arguments to the degree you claim.
Sadly, the biological designs are very poorly designed, only just barely good enough to survive to mate and pass on some DNA.
Actually there is a third way: Intelligent design as inferred from the fact that the physical constants of the universe are so incredibly fine-tuned as to strongly imply someone tuned them. No ancient book needed for this one.
Wholeheartedly agree, just as we are beginning to understand that Energy makes up all things, so we are beginning to understand it is energy that makes us capable of thought. So understanding that invisible Energy/Mind is the ultimate goal of science. Once we do, there will be no more excuses.Please tell me what Romans 1:20 means then? What does God mean here when He says He is clearly seen by studying His creation? Did He just mean it would be an undeniable gut feeling? Or did He mean that by looking at the things He made we would know that He is? So much so that we would be without excuse? What does the scriptures tell us He made? Is it the natural world and universe? What is the term for knowledge obtained through the study of the natural world and universe with observation and experimentation? Isn't this how we define science? So summed up isn't God saying we can know He exists through the study of science? If so then when you say we can't know He exists through the study of science... are you in agreement or disagreement with Him?
What they are trying to detect with SETI is narrow-band radio waves; i.e. the type of radio waves that would come from a manufactured transmitter if aliens happened to have invented something similar to what we invented.
Given that we have naturally occurring sources of DNA (namely biological reproduction) as opposed to it being artificially manufactured, there is no reason to make the same inference.
I have considered your reasons and find them unconvincing, but you can take Genesis as literal history if you want, it's no skin off my nose. The only problem I have with it is when creationists assert literalism as an essential Christian doctrine or deny the faith of other Christians who have a different opinion.I have seen no reason to believe it is not intended to be literal and have presented you with plenty of reasons why it must be taken literal. Also I deny assumptions drawn from the observable science, not the observable science. Big dif. It is only those assumptions that conflict with a literal Genesis not the actual observations.
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