Evolution or Creation?

[TomorrowsWorld]

Number of planets in the universe
10 ^ 50

Odd's of evolution happenning.
1 in 10 ^ 2 825 000

Short video explains how evolution is mathematically impossible.

 

[ranes1]

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[Papias]

Number of planets in the universe
10 ^ 50

Odd's of evolution happenning.
1 in 10 ^ 2 825 000

Short video explains how evolution is mathematically impossible.

The "odds of evolution" approach shown in the video is a dishonest strawman approach. The reason the odds don't work like that is due to natural selection, which this video ignores. This video is like saying that a mechanical coin sorter could never work because all coins are made out of the same kind of metal, and hence can't be separated.

I'm more inclined to believe that creation is true (the Young Earth variant) because God with his omnipotence need not take eon to create this universe. A non-Biblical view of creation only alters our understanding of the true character of God. God loves us and would not have suffering, death and disease as our primordial state. The evolutionary understanding God only makes Him an apathetic deistic God alien to what Jesus had taught.

Um, are you not aware that evolution is strongly supported by our Holy Church? In fact, the Catholic church is the largest single force in the world for the acceptance of evolution.

A list showing the RCC acceptance of evolution:

1. Humani Generis, an official papal encyclical by Pope Pious XII which allows evolution.
2. Interpretation of Humani Generis by Pope John Paul II, just in case anyone was unclear that Humani Generis allows for evolution
3. The fact that evolution is openly taught by Catholic teachers to Catholic students in Catholic Universities and Schools,
4. Confirmation of open support of evolution by the Vatican in a commissioned report chaired by Pope Emeritus Benedict, saying evolution is "virtually certain" .
5. Many of the most outspoken evolution supporters are Catholic, such as Ken Miller, Dr. Ayayla, etc.
6. Clear statements from the last three Popes (Francis, Benedict, JPII) in support of Evolution over Creationism.

Note that the list includes at least three popes, an official encyclical, a Vatican commission report, and the actions of thousands of Catholic officials doing their jobs, right now. In fact, perhaps the most striking fact is #3.

That's because the Catholic school & University system is the biggest educational system in the world. The enthusiastic teaching of evolution in all those Catholic institutions means that our Catholic church teaches evolution to more people than are taught evolution by any other organization. Have you seen the floor mosaic at the Catholic University of Notre Dame? Here it is:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Dobzhansky_Evolution_Notre_Dame.jpg

It reads: Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution.

In Christ -

Papias

 

[ranes1]

True but science is not infallible and can change in the future if it turns out to be false. The "fact" of science simply means "best possible explanation" not definite explanation. Either way God created the universe.

 

[Ken Rank]

True but science is not infallible and can change in the future if it turns out to be false. The "fact" of science simply means "best possible explanation" not definite explanation. Either way God created the universe.

Science in this case starts with it's hands tied behind it's back. And I say this as somebody who enjoys science. So let me explain...

When God made Adam he did not create a baby, he created a man. When He created Chavah (Eve) out of Adam, He didn't create a baby but rather a woman. Assuming they had to eat... then the trees were created already bearing fruit. Genesis 2:8-9 speaks of God planting the garden and out of it came forth every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. This seemingly at the same time He Adam, see Genesis 2:7. As the story develops we see that the woman is tempted with fruit. This means, the fruit was already in place before the fall and they obviously had the ability to eat it.

My point... creation came with the appearance of age. If the tree that already had fruit on it was cut down I imagine there would have been a number of rings showing years when there might have only been minutes, hours, or weeks. Adam himself, and Chavah, not babies... but to the scientific eye... adults, when they were seconds old. This fact skews the results and really means that we are not arguing over natural selection and adaptation, but of age and a starting point and really the latter, the starting point.

 

[Papias]

True but science is not infallible and can change in the future if it turns out to be false. The "fact" of science simply means "best possible explanation" not definite explanation. Either way God created the universe.

Yes - either way God created the universe. Yes, science is not infallible. It is indeed true that we may discover in the future that things are not made of atoms, that evolution didn't happen, and that no diseases are caused by germs.

In the meantime, I'm glad you and I are in a church that so solidly supports germ theory, evolutionary theory, and atomic theory, and doesn't see any scriptural conflict with any of them, even though none are mentioned in scripture.

In Christ-

Papias

 

[SkyWriting]

Number of planets in the universe
10 ^ 50
Odd's of evolution happenning.
1 in 10 ^ 2 825 000
Short video explains how evolution is mathematically impossible.

Suppose we consider that nothing in evolution is natural, unplanned or random?
Would that work for analysis?

 

[rjs330]

Creation for sure. Evolution no. While the Bible does not address many scientific theories, it does address exactly how God made life on this planet and how long it took him.

 

[Phil 1:21]

Something that’s important to bear in mind is that God teaches us using both literal and metaphorical language. The Ten Commandments: literal. The Good Samaritan: metaphorical. God was more direct about metaphorical language via Jesus, but He did it as well in the Old Testament. Had God guided Moses’ hand to write in Genesis about the formation of mountains via the movement of tectonic plates, do you think ancient Hebrews would have understood it? Probably not.

Why then is it so hard to align Christianity with the possibility of evolution?