Evolution Never Claimed Man Evolved from an Ape

AV1611VET · Sep 17, 2010

Targ said:
The chances of life looking anything like us would also be slim - they'd be much more likely to be microbial than hominid life forms.

Or angels.

Anaximander · Sep 17, 2010

Agonaces of Susa said:
I don't get it and I'm not alone.

"And the problem in geology is not only [a] problem of annihilation of species but also a problem of origin of species. In fact the very question of evolution: How could so many species that populate the Earth, and many more have populated without leaving a single descendant, how could so many species evolve just by the mere process of competition? From the original simple form, practically unicellular form, just by competition, can you understand how a crocodile and a bird and a worm and a man and an insect with many legs, all could come to be?" -- Immanuel Velikovsky, polymath, 1966

"Is it chance that plants grow into special shapes to adapt to the idiosyncrasies of insects that will pollinate them, luring these insects with special color and fragrance, rewarding them with their favorite nectar, devising extraordinary canals and floral machinery with which to ensnare a bee so as to release it through a trap door only when the pollination process is completed?" -- Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird, botanists, 1973

"Is it pure chance that night-blossoming flowers grow white the better to attract night moths and night-flying butterflies, emitting stronger fragrance at dusk, or that the carrion lily develops the smell of rotting meat in areas where only flies abound, whereas flowers which rely on the wind to cross-pollinate the species do not waste energy on making themselves beautiful, fragrant or appealing to insects, but remain relatively unattractive?" -- Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird, botanists, 1973

Talk about arguing from authority, i.e., a fallacy. Try not to hide behind your quote-mining. If you have ever looked at research from peer reviewed scientific literature, you will see that quote-mining and arguing from authority is not allowed. The only thing that is allowed in published scientific research is evidence followed by a logical connection between evidence and the conclusion.

My claim is actually very easy to falsify. Merely peruse the peer reviewed scientific literature and show this forum one place where arguing from authority and quote-mining has been accepted. This is your easy challenge. The good news for you is it is now available online. But of course, we know you will merely quote-mine again.

best,

Ar Cosc · Sep 17, 2010

Agonaces of Susa said:
Agreed. The Bible says so too.

No. The bible says things that can be bashed into whatever shape you want them to be.

Why not? Because of Lucian or Darwin?

You give me so much choice, but I'm going to have to go with Demon Lord Darwin, seeing as you didn't allow me the option of "every scientist, historian, and person who is not crazy"

Targ said:
There may well be life out there, but even if there is, there is absolutely no way they could ever reach us, nor is there any way that we could reach them. We can't travel at anywhere near the speed of light and to be able to reach other solar systems within a reasonable timeframe we would need to be able to do so.

I should stress that I don't believe we are being visited regularly. Or at all. However, if a civilisation had mastered the technology to travel between stars, it could probably keep several generations alive inside the spacecraft if necessary. Faster-than-light travel isn't strictly necessary.

The chances of life looking anything like us would also be slim - they'd be much more likely to be microbial than hominid life forms.

Of course. Even taking any life form on earth at random, the overwhelming probability is that it is single-celled or microscopic. But the universe is simply so vast that I think there is intelligent life out there somewhere, and I cannot even begin to imagine what it would look like or how it would think.

Agonaces of Susa · Sep 17, 2010

Targ said:
However much I may admire Stephen Hawking, I remember reading his comments at the time and thinking that he was talking rubbish. He gives no consideration to how life could travel the many light years distance.

Special Relativity is rubbish.

Other solar systems are just too far away to be reachable. Alien life could be as angry and savage and resource hungry as he claims and I still wouldn't bat an eyelid. Alien life could be just like Klingons - there's still no way they would ever make it to Earth.

You have absolutely no evidence of that. Special Relativity is rubbish.

Agonaces of Susa · Sep 17, 2010

AV1611VET said:
Or angels.

Exactly.

Agonaces of Susa · Sep 17, 2010

Anaximander said:
Talk about arguing from authority, i.e., a fallacy. Try not to hide behind your quote-mining. If you have ever looked at research from peer reviewed scientific literature, you will see that quote-mining and arguing from authority is not allowed. The only thing that is allowed in published scientific research is evidence followed by a logical connection between evidence and the conclusion.

I guess you've never read a citation in a peer-reviewed paper.

My claim is actually very easy to falsify.

Trust me I know; it's so easy it's already been done.

Agonaces of Susa · Sep 17, 2010

Ar Cosc said:
No. The bible says things that can be bashed into whatever shape you want them to be.

What verse are you referring to?

But the universe is simply so vast that I think there is intelligent life out there somewhere, and I cannot even begin to imagine what it would look like or how it would think.

I can imagine very easily.

"They came from outerspace -- and posed for portraits." -- Erich Von Däniken, author, December 3rd 2002

Anaximander · Sep 18, 2010

Agonaces of Susa said:
I guess you've never read a citation in a peer-reviewed paper.

That's the problem, you guess. I've actually read hundreds. It looks like you fear my challenge.

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