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<blockquote data-quote="FredVB" data-source="post: 75726286" data-attributes="member: 259043"><p>So is it that you mean the necessary existence is this universe with its own ability to self-organize, and no need of anything else for that?</p><p></p><p>I know that Proboscideans are not one family already. I am not one here calling them all elephants. My question remains, where are species all shown leading to the family of Elephantidae? These show what appear to me to be like connecting dots. I see nothing conclusive for connection of one to another up to Elephantidae. My point that there is not agreement does not mean I have explanation for how they are to be organized.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I will watch out for what I see said of what Charles Darwin said, I think now I would take anything relevant to save as a text.</p><p></p><p>The universe existing is evidence? It had a beginning, generally agreed on. Its end is conceived, proposed as either a big crunch as it collapses, or, more generally now, it dissipating ultimately, with decaying. That would not have it being necessary existence.</p><p></p><p>Real necessary existence is beyond your capacity to understand it. Necessary existence always exists still, and is imperishable. That is not guessing, that is definitional for what necessary existence means, even when we don't know more about it. Real is opposed to what is proposed to be necessary existence that falls short. If is other than the universe, necessary existence created the universe, and necessary existence is still unlimited.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FredVB, post: 75726286, member: 259043"] So is it that you mean the necessary existence is this universe with its own ability to self-organize, and no need of anything else for that? I know that Proboscideans are not one family already. I am not one here calling them all elephants. My question remains, where are species all shown leading to the family of Elephantidae? These show what appear to me to be like connecting dots. I see nothing conclusive for connection of one to another up to Elephantidae. My point that there is not agreement does not mean I have explanation for how they are to be organized. I will watch out for what I see said of what Charles Darwin said, I think now I would take anything relevant to save as a text. The universe existing is evidence? It had a beginning, generally agreed on. Its end is conceived, proposed as either a big crunch as it collapses, or, more generally now, it dissipating ultimately, with decaying. That would not have it being necessary existence. Real necessary existence is beyond your capacity to understand it. Necessary existence always exists still, and is imperishable. That is not guessing, that is definitional for what necessary existence means, even when we don't know more about it. Real is opposed to what is proposed to be necessary existence that falls short. If is other than the universe, necessary existence created the universe, and necessary existence is still unlimited. [/QUOTE]
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