Evolution - is it possible?

[Kingdom_of_God]

Okay, I have evidence that there is a HIGH probability that there is a creator:

ATMOSPHERE: What a coincidence, how there happens to be a multi-layered atmosphere and plus an ozone around the earth, protecting us from the Suns harmful radiation, which contains the very substance (oxygen) our bodies require.

FOOD: Wow, the food we need to survive just happens to magically grow from the lifeless soil. Plain regular old dirt.
Insert seeds, and out pop our food. Oh and such a variety as well, fruits, vegetables, etc ! All just happen to have special acids, vitamins, and minerals the building blocks our bodies use to: develop, repair itself, process, etc.
As you read this, your body is doing about a thousand things. All to keep you ALIVE ! Acid is being released into your stomach to digest the food you ate earlier, to absorb all the vitamins, which are being broken down to chemicals and pumped by your heart to the various parts of your body. Sugar is being converted into energy, proteins are being deposited into your muscles. The oxygen your brain needs to operate is being taken from the air and transferred though your blood. wounds are healing, your immune system is cleaning away germs you came in contact with today, I could go on for days.

EARTH’S TILT \ TIME: Yes, and the earth just happens to be tilted at it’s axis at the very angle (23.5 degrees) we need so each hemisphere could have four distinct seasons. Quite necessary for timing harvesting and planting, and necessary for our sanity. Setting the stage for time. Time just happens to be moving forward, not backwards, not sideways, but forward. We are getting older, we all had a specific amount time on this earth (120 years). Christians had all these answers far before any clock, telescope, or calendar. All a coincidence as well huh ? Who’s then is ‘winding the dials of time’, rising the sun, setting the moon, setting everything in ‘motion’ Keyword – ‘motion’ The earth is spinning, not standing still !

REPRODUCTION: So why did two sexes evolve ? Why not only one ? Why not three ? So we just happen to be exploded into existence ‘by mistake’ with both a man – and a woman - each carrying what the other needs to create a third, extending us to another generation. Sustaining life ! And our minds just happened to be (by chance) programmed with a critical need to unite with one another ? What of breast feeding – can you explain with your science how a mother’s breast milk begins to flow at the exact time the infant becomes hungry ?

SUN \ TEMPERATURE: The sun by chance just happens to radiate a special energy we need for survival – recharging our bodies’ electrical system. The sun (a mistake) by chance just happens, to be steadily exploding gases at the approximate temperature we need to survive. Just 500 degrees hotter and we would all burn to death then drown. Or just 500 degrees colder and we would all freeze to death. (Not even our northern and southern poles are inhabitable.)

OCEAN: The ocean just happened to, by chance, contain just enough water as it did. At the precise temperature as not to freeze – or boil. Not overflowing as to cover the entire earth with water, or running completely dry as to deplete us of our fundamental life source.

MIND: What gas, what mineral, what length of time, what natural event could program a mind such as our own ? A mind that develops, learns, saves and computes information, from six distinct inputs simultaneously. A mind that dreams, feels, strives, hurts, and loves. A mind that controls all the various bodily functions automatically cleansing, growing, healing, digesting, converting, and reproducing – on it’s own, without us commanding it either way. We just happened to get this powerful mind by chance ? This particular mind, and not the mind of a mouse, a plant, or a chicken --- in all that chaos – all that exploding – we get this one ?

Evolutionists say the cell was formed by amino acids (Created by a mixture of gases) linking together to form proteins (The main ingredient of a cell) and the proteins combined with DNA to form cells.

The problem with this is that the amino acids need a living cell in order for them to "link" together.

The cell needs a membrane, and membrane is made of Lipids, but lipids only form from already living cells.


There is a HIGH probability God created the earth.

 

[Eta_Carinae]

This is so wrong.

Oxygen is a very common element.

Food comment is meaningless.

The Earths tilt would provide seasons if it was 21 degrees or 28 degrees. It doesn't need to be so precise.

Your time comment is absurd.

Sexes comment silly.

You know nothing about the Sun.

Ocean comment meaningless.

(Wow you are on a roll here)

Mind comment is just pointless metaphysics.

Cells are formed from proteins via amino acids. So?

I'm a Christian but your post is nonsensical.

 

[Mac6yver]

The next time you Plagiarize someone else's writings, at least include a link. Here is a link to where this was originally posted on a different forum by a user named "wildcowx2".

http://milk.sporkyou.com/topic-t-1137-postdays-0-postorder-asc-start-20.html


Come up with your own ideas next time.

 

[Eta_Carinae]

lol lol lol lol

Hey Kingdom,

you left out the asteroid nonsense.

Please post it - lol lol lol

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Do I detect another creationist hit 'n run?

 

[ProbePhage]

we all had a specific amount time on this earth (120 years)

Does it actually say this in the Bible?

Check this out: http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/wonderquest/2001-04-04-life-spans.htm
Scroll down to the second question and read the first paragraph.

 

[Eta_Carinae]

ProbePhage,

but the French woman was an antediluvian. Must not forget that.

 

[toff]

Okay, I have evidence that there is a HIGH probability that there is a creator:

ATMOSPHERE: What a coincidence, how there happens to be a multi-layered atmosphere and plus an ozone around the earth, protecting us from the Suns harmful radiation, which contains the very substance (oxygen) our bodies require.

FOOD: Wow, the food we need to survive just happens to magically grow from the lifeless soil. Plain regular old dirt.
Insert seeds, and out pop our food. Oh and such a variety as well, fruits, vegetables, etc ! All just happen to have special acids, vitamins, and minerals the building blocks our bodies use to: develop, repair itself, process, etc.
As you read this, your body is doing about a thousand things. All to keep you ALIVE ! Acid is being released into your stomach to digest the food you ate earlier, to absorb all the vitamins, which are being broken down to chemicals and pumped by your heart to the various parts of your body. Sugar is being converted into energy, proteins are being deposited into your muscles. The oxygen your brain needs to operate is being taken from the air and transferred though your blood. wounds are healing, your immune system is cleaning away germs you came in contact with today, I could go on for days.

EARTH’S TILT \ TIME: Yes, and the earth just happens to be tilted at it’s axis at the very angle (23.5 degrees) we need so each hemisphere could have four distinct seasons. Quite necessary for timing harvesting and planting, and necessary for our sanity. Setting the stage for time. Time just happens to be moving forward, not backwards, not sideways, but forward. We are getting older, we all had a specific amount time on this earth (120 years). Christians had all these answers far before any clock, telescope, or calendar. All a coincidence as well huh ? Who’s then is ‘winding the dials of time’, rising the sun, setting the moon, setting everything in ‘motion’ Keyword – ‘motion’ The earth is spinning, not standing still !

REPRODUCTION: So why did two sexes evolve ? Why not only one ? Why not three ? So we just happen to be exploded into existence ‘by mistake’ with both a man – and a woman - each carrying what the other needs to create a third, extending us to another generation. Sustaining life ! And our minds just happened to be (by chance) programmed with a critical need to unite with one another ? What of breast feeding – can you explain with your science how a mother’s breast milk begins to flow at the exact time the infant becomes hungry ?

SUN \ TEMPERATURE: The sun by chance just happens to radiate a special energy we need for survival – recharging our bodies’ electrical system. The sun (a mistake) by chance just happens, to be steadily exploding gases at the approximate temperature we need to survive. Just 500 degrees hotter and we would all burn to death then drown. Or just 500 degrees colder and we would all freeze to death. (Not even our northern and southern poles are inhabitable.)

OCEAN: The ocean just happened to, by chance, contain just enough water as it did. At the precise temperature as not to freeze – or boil. Not overflowing as to cover the entire earth with water, or running completely dry as to deplete us of our fundamental life source.

MIND: What gas, what mineral, what length of time, what natural event could program a mind such as our own ? A mind that develops, learns, saves and computes information, from six distinct inputs simultaneously. A mind that dreams, feels, strives, hurts, and loves. A mind that controls all the various bodily functions automatically cleansing, growing, healing, digesting, converting, and reproducing – on it’s own, without us commanding it either way. We just happened to get this powerful mind by chance ? This particular mind, and not the mind of a mouse, a plant, or a chicken --- in all that chaos – all that exploding – we get this one ?

Evolutionists say the cell was formed by amino acids (Created by a mixture of gases) linking together to form proteins (The main ingredient of a cell) and the proteins combined with DNA to form cells.

The problem with this is that the amino acids need a living cell in order for them to "link" together.

The cell needs a membrane, and membrane is made of Lipids, but lipids only form from already living cells.


There is a HIGH probability God created the earth.

I really hope he comes back...the original post is so idiotic somebody needs to tell him so.

 

[Kingdom_of_God]

The next time you Plagiarize someone else's writings, at least include a link. Here is a link to where this was originally posted on a different forum by a user named "wildcowx2".




Come up with your own ideas next time.

I asked permission from him if I could use this (His name is tony) he said yes

 

[revolutio]

It is common curtesy to mention him as the author then.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Too bad he didn't say no...

 

[Kingdom_of_God]

This is so wrong.

Oxygen is a very common element.

Food comment is meaningless.

The Earths tilt would provide seasons if it was 21 degrees or 28 degrees. It doesn't need to be so precise.

Your time comment is absurd.

Sexes comment silly.

You know nothing about the Sun.

Ocean comment meaningless.

(Wow you are on a roll here)

Mind comment is just pointless metaphysics.

Cells are formed from proteins via amino acids. So?

I'm a Christian but your post is nonsensical.

I did not write this.... I already refuted all this a LONG time ago. I was just seeing how you guys would react to this and would reply...

On Page 3 Wildcow listed "proof" against evolution but all can and will be refuted:

ATMOSPHERE: What a coincidence, how there happens to be a multi-layered atmosphere and plus an ozone around the earth, protecting us from the Suns harmful radiation, which contains the very substance (oxygen) our bodies require.

the ozone is in the atmospheres, and that oxygen is there cause there are MANY plants to make it, and the layers thing, some gasses weigh more than others, oxygen just happens to be heavy, and is at the bottom, same with carbon dioxide.

FOOD: Wow, the food we need to survive just happens to magically grow from the lifeless soil. Plain regular old dirt.
Insert seeds, and out pop our food. Oh and such a variety as well, fruits, vegetables, etc ! All just happen to have special acids, vitamins, and minerals the building blocks our bodies use to: develop, repair itself, process, etc.
As you read this, your body is doing about a thousand things. All to keep you ALIVE ! Acid is being released into your stomach to digest the food you ate earlier, to absorb all the vitamins, which are being broken down to chemicals and pumped by your heart to the various parts of your body. Sugar is being converted into energy, proteins are being deposited into your muscles. The oxygen your brain needs to operate is being taken from the air and transferred though your blood. wounds are healing, your immune system is cleaning away germs you came in contact with today, I could go on for days.

Here is where adaption comes into play, adaption is evolution, plants are known as autothrops, they can make their own food out of non-organic things, they take those minerals and such, and then photosyntheic process, us humans are heterotrophs, we take that energy from plants, our processes are just because as time came to pass, our bodies actually found ways of doing things better.

ASTEROIDS: There are how many hundreds of thousands of asteroids, meteors, and other space matter the size of Texas floating around fast; and in all this time …..…. ALL THIS TIME – we haven’t been hit ONCE – to take us off orbit, or to send us into another ice age !!! What are the odds of that ?

Pure ********, ******** there are HUGE crators in mexico and remember the Sun has affect on this also!

EARTH’S TILT \ TIME: Yes, and the earth just happens to be tilted at it’s axis at the very angle (23.5 degrees) we need so each hemisphere could have four distinct seasons. Quite necessary for timing harvesting and planting, and necessary for our sanity. Setting the stage for time. Time just happens to be moving forward, not backwards, not sideways, but forward. We are getting older, we all had a specific amount time on this earth (120 years). Christians had all these answers far before any clock, telescope, or calendar. All a coincidence as well huh ? Who’s then is ‘winding the dials of time’, rising the sun, setting the moon, setting everything in ‘motion’ Keyword – ‘motion’ The earth is spinning, not standing still !

I dont know much but Im guessing that it is because the earth doesnt make perfect circles around the sun more like an oval and also why would we have winter where people and animals die of cold?

GRAVITY: The earth is rotating really fast, yes …. What caused it to start spinning – that is has not stopped spinning yet. What energy source could have triggered the rotation that it continues to spin and the same speed, at the same time, at the same pace, for year, after year, after year. And the gravity, too much gravity and we would cease to be mobile, too little gravity and we would be out in space. It’s a coincidence then that we happen to have the exact gravitational pull required so we could move around with minimal effort. Can you imagine …. an explosion then BOOM gravity comes to be. Why gravity at all ?

who are you to say that different amounts of gravity affect us so much? what do you have to compare it to? and boom gravity becomes to be? gravity is and always was in matter and weight is the pull of gravity on something.

SUN \ TEMPERATURE: The sun by chance just happens to radiate a special energy we need for survival – recharging our bodies’ electrical system. The sun (a mistake) by chance just happens, to be steadily exploding gases at the approximate temperature we need to survive. Just 500 degrees hotter and we would all burn to death then drown. Or just 500 degrees colder and we would all freeze to death. (Not even our northern and southern poles are inhabitable.)

we ADAPTED so we could take energy from the sun it does NOT feed us, and it doesnt recharge our bodies at all since we are not nocturnal, light makes everything seem nice but in dark its depressing its just our nature.
and the temp difference is because we were never exposed to SUPER LOW TEMPS like -500 f, then we never needed to adapt to such climates, but if we were put out in a place like that (non existent) then we would certainly freeze to death

MIND: What gas, what mineral, what length of time, what natural event could program a mind such as our own ? A mind that develops, learns, saves and computes information, from six distinct inputs simultaneously. A mind that dreams, feels, strives, hurts, and loves. A mind that controls all the various bodily functions automatically cleansing, growing, healing, digesting, converting, and reproducing – on it’s own, without us commanding it either way. We just happened to get this powerful mind by chance ? This particular mind, and not the mind of a mouse, a plant, or a chicken --- in all that chaos – all that exploding – we get this one ?

You said -> A mind that develops, learns, saves and computes information, from six distinct inputs simultaneously.

EXCACTLY! our mind develops, when they did we got the gift of language. Who ever said dogs didnt?

REPRODUCTION: So why did two sexes evolve ? Why not only one ? Why not three ? So we just happen to be exploded into existence ‘by mistake’ with both a man – and a woman - each carrying what the other needs to create a third, extending us to another generation. Sustaining life ! And our minds just happened to be (by chance) programmed with a critical need to unite with one another ? What of breast feeding – can you explain with your science how a mother’s breast milk begins to flow at the exact time the infant becomes hungry ?

Evidence of why we only have 2 sexes is because men have nipples: Some DNA splitted apart from women to make a male (Or vice versa) and some DNA such as nipples came with us, and other things.

Now, the mother ALWAYS has milk in her, it knows when there is enough and stops till there is less in her, not the baby, the body.

OCEAN: The ocean just happened to, by chance, contain just enough water as it did. At the precise temperature as not to freeze – or boil. Not overflowing as to cover the entire earth with water, or running completely dry as to deplete us of our fundamental life source.

A LOT of water IS frozen, at the poles.

 

[toff]

I did not write this.... I already refuted all this a LONG time ago. I was just seeing how you guys would react to this and would reply...

On Page 3 Wildcow listed "proof" against evolution but all can and will be refuted:



the ozone is in the atmospheres, and that oxygen is there cause there are MANY plants to make it, and the layers thing, some gasses weigh more than others, oxygen just happens to be heavy, and is at the bottom, same with carbon dioxide.



Here is where adaption comes into play, adaption is evolution, plants are known as autothrops, they can make their own food out of non-organic things, they take those minerals and such, and then photosyntheic process, us humans are heterotrophs, we take that energy from plants, our processes are just because as time came to pass, our bodies actually found ways of doing things better.



Pure ********, ******** there are HUGE crators in mexico and remember the Sun has affect on this also!



I dont know much but Im guessing that it is because the earth doesnt make perfect circles around the sun more like an oval and also why would we have winter where people and animals die of cold?



who are you to say that different amounts of gravity affect us so much? what do you have to compare it to? and boom gravity becomes to be? gravity is and always was in matter and weight is the pull of gravity on something.




we ADAPTED so we could take energy from the sun it does NOT feed us, and it doesnt recharge our bodies at all since we are not nocturnal, light makes everything seem nice but in dark its depressing its just our nature.
and the temp difference is because we were never exposed to SUPER LOW TEMPS like -500 f, then we never needed to adapt to such climates, but if we were put out in a place like that (non existent) then we would certainly freeze to death



You said -> A mind that develops, learns, saves and computes information, from six distinct inputs simultaneously.

EXCACTLY! our mind develops, when they did we got the gift of language. Who ever said dogs didnt?



Evidence of why we only have 2 sexes is because men have nipples: Some DNA splitted apart from women to make a male (Or vice versa) and some DNA such as nipples came with us, and other things.

Now, the mother ALWAYS has milk in her, it knows when there is enough and stops till there is less in her, not the baby, the body.



A LOT of water IS frozen, at the poles.

Why on earth did you even post this? You put it in a thread with a misleading name, plagiarized someone else's writing (which is rubbish anyway) without even an acknowledgement, and then refute your own post! Is this just one huge troll?

 

[Kingdom_of_God]

Why on earth did you even post this? You put it in a thread with a misleading name, plagiarized someone else's writing (which is rubbish anyway) without even an acknowledgement, and then refute your own post! Is this just one huge troll?

i didnt plagiarize, he said it was OKAY for me to do so....

Also, I wanted to see how you guys would refute this. But all I got was smack talk so I refuted them myself.

 

[Eta_Carinae]

Actually you have some errors in your refutations.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

There's not much to refute. It's mostly just one big appeal to the anthropic principal, with some incredulity and strawmen thrown in for good measure.

We'd probably be more receptive to this sort of thing if these kinds of arguments didn't come along on a regular basis...

 

[Angeldove97]

These are very strong facts to showing a creater has to have made the earth and I know for a fact that God did. But I also believe that evolution could have taken place...I've already posted my idea on this and simply put: God DID create everything, God gave the control of this earth (aka over animals at least) to Adam, because Adam can't control animals anymore evolution can happen...or well there's more details, but that's how I've outlined it. But God did an AWESOME job on this earth...we're the ones messing it up.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

But God did an AWESOME job on this earth...we're the ones messing it up.

But if God put us here in the first place... then it's kinda His fault to begin with.

 

[toff]

These are very strong facts to showing a creater has to have made the earth and I know for a fact that God did. But I also believe that evolution could have taken place...I've already posted my idea on this and simply put: God DID create everything, God gave the control of this earth (aka over animals at least) to Adam, because Adam can't control animals anymore evolution can happen...or well there's more details, but that's how I've outlined it. But God did an AWESOME job on this earth...we're the ones messing it up.

There are very strong facts to show a creation has to have made the earth? Which "very strong facts"? I've been looking for some for over 20 years, I've yet to find any.

And I'm sorry, you don't "know for a fact" that god did. You merely believe it.

And if god had REALLY done an "awesome" job on this earth, we wouldn't be capable of messing it up.

 

[ThePhoenix]

There are very strong facts to show a creation has to have made the earth? Which "very strong facts"? I've been looking for some for over 20 years, I've yet to find any.

And I'm sorry, you don't "know for a fact" that god did. You merely believe it.

And if god had REALLY done an "awesome" job on this earth, we wouldn't be capable of messing it up.

We're not capable of messing up the earth. On an outside possibility we could probably cause the extinction of our species, but not of all species on the planet.