Evil Homosexuals

[Beanieboy]

I was thinking about this recently.

Do you believe that gay people are scapegoated, attacked, etc. so much because we are the last group to really hate, justifiably?

Do you think that we should actually see this as a light at the end of the tunnel?

The point of the OP is: are we seeing the last hated group of the series of groups hated (Jews, Blacks, Japanese, Gays) at this point in history? Is this possibly a beginning of the end of hate? Of healing? Of growing equality and respect for one another, of loving our neighbor as ourselves.

Sorry I wasn't more clear.

 

[b&wpac4]

It's going to be a long, long time (if ever) where we finally decide not to hate people for silly, arbitrary reasons. It's silly... I mean, have you ever met somebody where you couldn't find a real reasons to dislike them?

 

[Joachim]

I was thinking about this recently.

Do you believe that gay people are scapegoated, attacked, etc. so much because we are the last group to really hate, justifiably?

Do you think that we should actually see this as a light at the end of the tunnel?

Actually, recent polls show that by a large margin, more Americans would vote for a gay or Muslim to be president than they would an athiest and more Americans also believe that an atheist is less likely to believe in American values than a gay or a Muslim. I would have to say that atheists are the last group held in contempt. If we didn't have religious seperation I suspect that the atheists would be subject to heavy persecution and possibly even pogroms. They should be greatful that this country protects religious freedom.

 

[cgcsb]

The people who make up all this BS for propeganda web sites like afa, cwa etc. really do hate gay people. Unfortunately for the people who read those web pages, they accept it as fact and become fearful of the "Gay Agenda". Not because they are full of hate but because they have been indoctrinated from birth to accept anything said by a pastor as fact. Most likely, they were home schooled and have never met a real life gay person. I believe that is the reason for all the missinformation and hatered out there. It's ignorance more than anything else, I think the best way to stop this is by teaching children the importance of tollerance in schools

 

[explodingboy]

Is it just me that was counting all of the WND, AFA headlines that I heard being brought up. The gays infiltrating goverment is one of the AFA's Dvd that they're always promoting (not sure if they made it or not, never looked far into it)

I really feel sorry for people that view homosexuals like this.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

The people who make up all this BS for propeganda web sites like afa, cwa etc. really do hate gay people. Unfortunately for the people who read those web pages, they accept it as fact and become fearful of the "Gay Agenda". Not because they are full of hate but because they have been indoctrinated from birth to accept anything said by a pastor as fact. Most likely, they were home schooled and have never met a real life gay person. I believe that is the reason for all the missinformation and hatered out there. It's ignorance more than anything else, I think the best way to stop this is by teaching children the importance of tollerance in schools

Annnnndddd, of course those teachers teaching this "tolerance" have to be either gay themselves or liberal or progressive in ideology?

Any ideological conservative teachers get to "teach" these students?

I've met many, many, many, many "gay people."

I oppose gay marriage and the teaching of gay culture in public schools. More now than ever.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Is it just me that was counting all of the WND, AFA headlines that I heard being brought up. The gays infiltrating goverment is one of the AFA's Dvd that they're always promoting (not sure if they made it or not, never looked far into it)

I really feel sorry for people that view homosexuals like this.

How about like the homosexuals attending the Folsom Street festival?

And why is it that the "gays infiltrating government" always promote gay activism? can't they just be politicians serving the voters?

 

[cgcsb]

Annnnndddd, of course those teachers teaching this "tolerance" have to be either gay themselves or liberal or progressive in ideology?

Any ideological conservative teachers get to "teach" these students?

I've met many, many, many, many "gay people."

I oppose gay marriage and the teaching of gay culture in public schools. More now than ever.

why do you put gay people in ""'s?but have you ever considered what it'd be like to be one?
if by liberal, you mean people should be allowed make their own choices and have the same rights as everyone else, then yes. Did you ever consider what it'd be like to be denied the right to marry?

 

[explodingboy]

How about like the homosexuals attending the Folsom Street festival?

and the point your trying to make is?

And why is it that the "gays infiltrating government" always promote gay activism? can't they just be politicians serving the voters?

Did anyone complain about Christians infiltrating goverment to promote Christian activism? This is simply politics, except groups like the AFA use all sorts of wording to denote them as having some sinister plot.

Have you considered the gays are being elected to serve the voters who elect them, the voters who might be in support of such gay activism. Hence why they elected the man/women who supported them to begin with.

People who complain about Gay activism, seem to not understand how politics works, the majority get who ever they voted for and the policies of that man/women, the people on the losing side get to try again next year.

 

[Maren]

How about like the homosexuals attending the Folsom Street festival?

And why is it that the "gays infiltrating government" always promote gay activism? can't they just be politicians serving the voters?

And what about the heterosexuals attending the Folsom Street Fair events -- such as the ones in Toronto and New York? The Folsom Street Fair is not a gay event, it is a leather (largely associated with BDSM) event. So if we are going to use Folsom to condemn gays, then heterosexuals also need to be condemned.

 

[lawtonfogle]

I was thinking about this recently.

Do you believe that gay people are scapegoated, attacked, etc. so much because we are the last group to really hate, justifiably?

Do you think that we should actually see this as a light at the end of the tunnel?

Of course not. They are attacking homosexuals as an attempt to justify their own false marriages as anything more than the civil unions they are. The few (if any) Adam and Eves actually doing it are probably being pressured by their peers.

So the solution is to realize that homosexuals have as much right to marry as non-Adams and non-Eves, and they will stop their hating.

 

[Beanieboy]

It's going to be a long, long time (if ever) where we finally decide not to hate people for silly, arbitrary reasons. It's silly... I mean, have you ever met somebody where you couldn't find a real reasons to dislike them?

No, but hatred? It's a lot of work.
I often meditate, and visualize a world where we really cared about each other, and what it would be like to live in that kind of place.

Question: As a kid, I was next to angelic, feeling guilty for literally month for the pettiest of transgressions. So, when I was in school, with a group of 30 people, you know when you are told to be quiet, and 2 or 3 kids break the silence? Or when people pick on someone, gang up on them, without remorse?

Why is that, do you think, that such things always are? Why do we doubt the ability for mankind, as a whole, to rise above hatred for silly and arbitrary reasons? Do we think we can't? That we are unable to change the world? That we can't evolve? Or is it more like the balance of nature, that always contains death leaves among new sprouts, everything seeming to be in balance, making it impossible to solve?

 

[b&wpac4]

No, but hatred? It's a lot of work.
I often meditate, and visualize a world where we really cared about each other, and what it would be like to live in that kind of place.

Question: As a kid, I was next to angelic, feeling guilty for literally month for the pettiest of transgressions. So, when I was in school, with a group of 30 people, you know when you are told to be quiet, and 2 or 3 kids break the silence? Or when people pick on someone, gang up on them, without remorse?

Why is that, do you think, that such things always are? Why do we doubt the ability for mankind, as a whole, to rise above hatred for silly and arbitrary reasons? Do we think we can't? That we are unable to change the world? That we can't evolve? Or is it more like the balance of nature, that always contains death leaves among new sprouts, everything seeming to be in balance, making it impossible to solve?

It was mostly a joke, don't worry. I was the kid in school that would defend those who were attacked. Got into a lot of fights that way and didn't win a whole lot of them, but at least I knew I was doing what I felt was right. Of course, it lead to me being the target eventually, but I was suited to it by then.

 

[Beanieboy]

Is it just me that was counting all of the WND, AFA headlines that I heard being brought up. The gays infiltrating goverment is one of the AFA's Dvd that they're always promoting (not sure if they made it or not, never looked far into it)

I really feel sorry for people that view homosexuals like this.

Mel White, who was a ghost writer for Pat Robertson, said that homosexuals would be presented as a threat to generate fear to bring in more money when it was needed.

People have been exploiting others for personal gain without thinking about the consequences long term since at least Exodus.

 

[Beanieboy]

Of course not. They are attacking homosexuals as an attempt to justify their own false marriages as anything more than the civil unions they are. The few (if any) Adam and Eves actually doing it are probably being pressured by their peers.

So the solution is to realize that homosexuals have as much right to marry as non-Adams and non-Eves, and they will stop their hating.

Wow. That's deep.
I've never thought about that - people who see gay marriage as a threat to their own marriage, maybe because they don't believe in the strength of their own marriage, and seeing those who are swimming up stream to marry, and continue fighting, when their marriage may be on the rocks despite legal, social and religious support, they may be actually afraid of the reality of their own marriage.

That's a Manwich for thought. Mmm. Mannnnwich.....

 

[Beanieboy]

Annnnndddd, of course those teachers teaching this "tolerance" have to be either gay themselves or liberal or progressive in ideology?

Any ideological conservative teachers get to "teach" these students?

I've met many, many, many, many "gay people."

I oppose gay marriage and the teaching of gay culture in public schools. More now than ever.

No. You can be Christian in a public school, but should be teaching others that you should treat others as you want to be treated, the Golden Rule, which agrees with your religion.

You can acknowledge someone else's right to be Islamic, without the need to tell the kids, "You are all going to hell for not believing in Jesus", or harrassing them, bullying them, etc.

If one is to live in the US, where we are quite proud of our Freedoms, which includes the Freedom of Religion, we can't them condemn someone who exercises that right only because it conflicts with our religious beliefs, while not harming us. That is simply unAmerican.

 

[Gilyon]

If you ever preface anything you're about to say with "I'm not X, but..." or "I have friends who are X, but..." or "I don't hate X, but...", you're most likely full of something.

 

[bigbadwilf]

I was thinking about this recently.

Do you believe that gay people are scapegoated, attacked, etc. so much because we are the last group to really hate, justifiably?

Do you think that we should actually see this as a light at the end of the tunnel?

I think you'll find that the last group to really hate is actually smokers, I've never heard of people being denied medical treatment because of their sexuality. Or had any products bought by them taxed to fund the very people who are making their lives miserable.
Of course, the fact that I'm a straight smoker may have some influence on this...

 

[Polycarp_fan]

No. You can be Christian in a public school, but should be teaching others that you should treat others as you want to be treated, the Golden Rule, which agrees with your religion.

I just want my children's teachers to teach subjects and NOT interject ANY of their personal political opinions for any reason at all.

You can acknowledge someone else's right to be Islamic, without the need to tell the kids, "You are all going to hell for not believing in Jesus", or harrassing them, bullying them, etc.

Bullying is a crime. There needs nothing to be attached to it by the crime aspect. The cause is not important. Violence is.

If one is to live in the US, where we are quite proud of our Freedoms, which includes the Freedom of Religion, we can't them condemn someone who exercises that right only because it conflicts with our religious beliefs, while not harming us. That is simply unAmerican.

What if it harms us?

 

[sidhe]

One thing I've long wondered with the "cause is not important" argument: Does that mean someone who negligently kills their friend due to careless handling of a firearm faces the same charges as someone who with malice aforethought shoots their ex-wife twice in the back of the head?

Remember, same result, different cause.