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1denomination

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Hello CF, Let me start by giving you some backround here, I'm 25 years old I Gave My heart to my Lord and savior(for the second time) less than a year ago, the first time was about 3 years Ago for about a year life was wonderfull but I fell away and went back on my own road of sin. But during that year I spoke to a Aunt about God to which she told me she did not belive in God and would appreciate it if I wouldnt bring the subject up around her anymore. With great dismay I didnt but tried to live it before her. Three weeks before I came back to the fold she had a heart attack(minor), she was sent home with stents in her heart, a week later she was vacuming her living room floor when she dropped to the floor from her second heartattack(major),she had a blood clot get stuck in the stent, Now according to her daughter in-law as she lay on the floor she said to tell her family good bye and she loved them. and then began murmuring what could only be considered a prayer. 2 minutes later she sat up, climbed up on the couch and awaited the EMT's. Upon arrival she told them she was fine that she just passed out(She is a terrible diabetic she passes out often) they began to check her vital's and couldnt find a pulse. After 3 attempts they used an electronic device to determine she had a pulse of 13(thats a little off pace for those who dont know;) )they rushed her to the nearest hospital(45 minutes Away) They after examining her decided they couldnt help (small hospital) flew her to Jacksonville Fla. where they used a cathidor(I think thats how its spelled) to removed the afore mentioned clot. By the way, through all this (about 2 hours)she maintained a pulse of 13.and never again lost consiousness until the flight to Jacksonvile. The EMT's said that she told joke all the way to the hospital, and told them that the lord had saved her.

Now according to science the story I just told you is not possible, but true none the less, so the way I see it just because science says a literal 6 day young earth creation is not possible, to me does not make it anyless untrue My god says he(my interpretation) did so I belive him. :bow:



God Bless:prayer:
 
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The difference is that the fact that God can, and does, do miracles does not in any way indicate that He performed the miracle of creation in the way you interpret Genesis. God performs miracles, and these are "supernatural" which means beyond the natural laws that He established and science studies. There is no dispute about that whatsoever. If the literal reading of Genesis was the only sensible reading and if there was no specific evidence that He did NOT create the world 6,000 years ago, then the situation would be very different.

Performing a supernatural act in defiance of His own natural laws is not the issue at all, since we all agree He could have done it however He wanted. The fact is that we have a text that can be read two different ways and evidence from God's Creation that one of those ways is not correct. Ipso facto . . .
 
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Gold Dragon said:
Why is God creating through evolution over a longer period of time any less miraculous than God creating in six days?
Dont ask me vance was the one trying to convince us that evoulution better goes along with te natural laws that god created, and since a I view the creation as mirculous(supernatural)The more it goes against natural law the better. :prayer:
 
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1denomination said:
Dont ask me vance was the one trying to convince us that evoulution better goes along with te natural laws that god created, and since a I view the creation as mirculous(supernatural)The more it goes against natural law the better. :prayer:
Why is it "better" to go against natural laws and less miraculous if creation doesn't?

The birth of a baby doesn't go against any natural laws. As I studied embryonic development in university, I was constantly floored by the miracle of how God naturally formed each of us from a fertilized ovum, with all the things that could potentially go wrong. Natural miracles are just as amazing as the ones we cannot yet explain.
 
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1denomination said:
Dont ask me vance was the one trying to convince us that evoulution better goes along with te natural laws that god created, and since a I view the creation as mirculous(supernatural)The more it goes against natural law the better. :prayer:

It isn't all or nothing, 1Den. It isn't God saved your Aunt and created the world 6,000 years ago or He did neither. Perhaps God saved your Aunt but didn't create the world 6,000 years ago. Can you offer a reason why the couldn't be the case?
 
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Didn't this used to be Crusadar's dead horse?

It's not that a six day creation is impossible - God can do anything that's logically possible (i.e. can't make round squares, but can make a square of any size).

It's that all the evidence shows that that is not what He did.

Someone tells you that Person A shot Person B. However, Person A doesn't have a gun.. Person B is alive and well and has no bullet wounds. He denies any knowledge of being shot by Person A. He is also best friends with Person A. Would you really be douting Person A's physical capability of firing a weapon if you thought that he didn't shoot Person B?
 
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Bushido216 said:
It isn't all or nothing, 1Den. It isn't God saved your Aunt and created the world 6,000 years ago or He did neither. Perhaps God saved your Aunt but didn't create the world 6,000 years ago. Can you offer a reason why the couldn't be the case?
Sure I can, but you wont accept it, Because it requires a literal reading of Gen 1.
 
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Science doesn't exactly say that miracles are impossible. It basically says that it is outside of scientific knowledge (especially since miracles, by their very nature, are not repeatable). I'm glad that your aunt is okay in any case.

I do believe that God was capable of creating the world in 6 days. However, I just believe that the evidence doesn't support that position.
 
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Woah..... calm down man, Waht I was refering to was this question
Bushido216 said:
Perhaps God saved your Aunt but didn't create the world 6,000 years ago. Can you offer a reason why the couldn't be the case?
but I see I misinterpreted the Q so I apologize

God Bless.
 
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Bushido216 said:
Are you accusing me of using bait & switch arguements? Please provide some backup, sir, before throwing about accusations.
What.

No just the the Expression made me laugh. Man why all the hostility, This my friend is not very christian. we have got to calm down.
 
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karl said: "Didn't this used to be Crusadar's dead horse?"

Still hung up about our exchanges in the past aren't we Karl? If the horse is dead don't resurrect it!Perhaps that is the reason I don't come around as often anymore because the real soul winning is out there in the real word among the wolves - not behind some computer screen.
 
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Folks, let's calm down a notch, ok? stay on track or move on. 1 denom has posted a question, let's respect the thread and stick with it.
Crusadar, welcome back. I'm not really sure how long you've been away, but we are really trying hard to keep this a calm and peaceful place, just so you knowl.
thanks, back to neutral corners and then resume.
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