Evidence that homosexuality is wrong..?

[naotmaa]

I have a question for some of the Christians out there: Can you prove that homosexuality is wrong, harmful, dangerous, etc. without using the Bible?

The reason I ask this question is because on this forum there have beel a lot of debates about if it is wrong from a biblical perspective and why. It just seems to me that if homosexuality is a sin, there should be evidence as to why it is wrong outside of the Bible. Murder is a sin but you don't need the Bible to realize that. The same goes with many other sins.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

Nope.

 

[CShephard53]

Why without using the Bible? You're in a Christian philosophy and ethics forum.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

Why without using the Bible? You're in a Christian philosophy and ethics forum.

Exactly. This isn't the Christian Scriptures section.

 

[CShephard53]

CHRISTian involves Bible, as CHRIST is based in the Bible. But whatever.

 

[djbcrawford]

Do you mean the desire or the act?

If you are talking about desire, then I would consider that a temptation and would say it isn't wrong unless acted on.

If you are talking the act, then isn't the fact that the basic human reproductive system is designed to work between a male and a female evidence that there is something "wrong" when it is mixed any other way?

 

[Topaz]

Homosexuality is a side-effect of pedophilia.

 

[Ohioprof]

CHRISTian involves Bible, as CHRIST is based in the Bible. But whatever.

I am Christian, and I don't believe the Bible is the word of God. I would never use the Bible as evidence of anything.

I think the OP asks a good question. There is no reason to believe that being gay is wrong or that loving same-sex relationships are wrong. The only argument that some Christians have is the Bible. And some people just love to use the Bible to justify their throwing stones at gay people. Shame on them.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Homosexuality is a side-effect of pedophilia.

Do explain. I have never encountered a paedophile, been abused/approached by a paedophile, nor engaged in paedophilia myself. So by your logic, I should be gay.
I cite myself as a disproof.

 

[Ohioprof]

Do you mean the desire or the act?

If you are talking about desire, then I would consider that a temptation and would say it isn't wrong unless acted on.

If you are talking the act, then isn't the fact that the basic human reproductive system is designed to work between a male and a female evidence that there is something "wrong" when it is mixed any other way?

Sexual intimacy is not only for reproduction. Or do you try to reproduce every time you have sex?

 

[Ohioprof]

Homosexuality is a side-effect of pedophilia.

Can you please explain this comment?

 

[Ohioprof]

Do explain. I have never encountered a paedophile, been abused/approached by a paedophile, nor engaged in paedophilia myself. So by your logic, I should be gay.
I cite myself as a disproof.

Me too. I have never encountered a pedophile.

 

[naotmaa]

Why without using the Bible? You're in a Christian philosophy and ethics forum.

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[Ohioprof]

It just seem to me that if homosexuality is a sin and abomination, it would have to be dangerous and harmful to the person. And if it is so dangerous and harmful to someone wouldn't there be legit evidence to back it up? If not, why would God make it a sin?

Anyway if this thread goes against the rules I'm sure a mod will close it for me.

How does the thread go against the rules? Christian ethics are not based solely on the Bible.

 

[naotmaa]

How does the thread go against the rules? Christian ethics are not based solely on the Bible.

Okay good, i wasn't sure.

 

[djbcrawford]

Sexual intimacy is not only for reproduction. Or do you try to reproduce every time you have sex?

They are called reproductive organs, not sexual intimacy organs. You cannot deny their function, design and purpose.

Sexual intimacy is there to bind two people together for the ultimate purpose of marriage and reproduction. The fact you do not always try to reproduce when you have sex is irrelevent. You will still generate the bits required for reproduction whether you decide to use the bits or not. They are still fulfilling their correct function.

 

[Ohioprof]

They are called reproductive organs, not sexual intimacy organs. You cannot deny their function, design and purpose.

Sexual intimacy is there to bind two people together for the ultimate purpose of marriage and reproduction. The fact you do not always try to reproduce when you have sex is irrelevent. You will still generate the bits required for reproduction whether you decide to use the bits or not. They are still fulfilling their correct function.

The [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] is not "designed for reproduction." It has no role in reproduction at all. It just gives pleasure.

 

[Ohioprof]

I remember back when I was in Lutheran Sunday School, and we were given sex education (in high school, which was a little late). The teacher, who was also the minister, put up drawings of baby boys and baby girls and said, "This is a boy. This is a girl." The class burst into laughter.

The teacher did say one thing that I found interesting, though. He said that Catholics believe that sex is for the purpose of reproduction only. But we Lutherans believe something different: that sex is for the expression of love.

That has stuck in my mind all these years, long after I abandoned my Lutheran faith and became Unitarian Universalist. I agree with our old minister about that. Sex is for the expression of love. Not just reproduction.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

They are called reproductive organs, not sexual intimacy organs. You cannot deny their function, design and purpose.

Sexual intimacy is there to bind two people together for the ultimate purpose of marriage and reproduction. The fact you do not always try to reproduce when you have sex is irrelevent. You will still generate the bits required for reproduction whether you decide to use the bits or not. They are still fulfilling their correct function.

So marriage and love is only about sex?

 

[Brieuse]

Me too. I have never encountered a pedophile.

I have met one. And he wasn't gay. Hopefully never have to meet him again.