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As long as you know what it means now, who cares if it's an obscure eight year old thread, or an obscure eight year old dictionary?
That's why I qv'd him to one.'Cause most of us have a dictionary (or have used one before), but not everyone knows all of the pointless threads that have appeared here.
And I'll repeat my rhetorical question:Hans Blaster said:Though I will say this for the milk carton, at least it sometimes fills my glass with milk when I tip it over.
Should they take academia's advice and pray to milk cartons instead?
And I'll repeat my rhetorical question:
Uh-huh.Ask they say in court: "Asked and answered."
Another thread had a curious title.
Independently REPEATABLE evidence of miracles. Which is a logical contradiction in the sense that by definition researchers cannot repeat the supernatural, otherwise it wouldn’t be supernatural.
So all that can be done is
1/ to identify evidence of the unexplained.
2/ to confirm it is inexplicable, by breaking a fundamental paradigm of science as it is known
( eg prophecy as a simple example because of time arrow, consciousness outside the brain )
3/ that there is no credible means of faking the evidence.
The only repeat possible is reassessment of evidence, not repeat the event.
But 1-3 deal only with defining something as supernatural, not a miracle which ascribes a cause.
Since God is not in the model of science , nor can science proclaim Him as a verdict, a limitation of science, not God.
So all we can do is is state
4/ it occurs in the theistic context
And
5/ the church adds other conditions too
Reality is there is a lot of such evidence.
Take miracle healings at Lourdes.
The lame walk, the blind see.
The process is massive to declare it so, from a large medical panel any qualified medic can join, most are not religious. They declare inexplicable , not just unexplained. ( Lourdes medical commission do that part )
The second declaration is by the church 4/ 5/ which is just as stringent. Many healings declared supernatural by medics, don’t pass the churches criteria as miracle. .
So what is left?
Take this. A pelvic cancer before cancers were in anyway curable had destroyed all the pelvic bone to a leg bone connected only by small amounts of soft tissue.
Journey to Lourdes healing waters.
Bone reappeared albeit a shorter leg. Pain disappeared. Cancer gone.
Appeared in serious medical journals.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6027009/pdf/10.1179_0024363913Z.00000000015.pdf
A medical doctor Heads up the commission for typically 10 years a time.
A couple have written books.
Might be, if they existed.
After you have spent a million years looking for life across the Galaxy, you will come back and worship the earth itself and it's miracles. Your head will just explode.
So how do you determine what a miracle is and what are natural events?A Miracles are natural in origin. God does them. But they are planned out as natural events. But more impressive.
So how do you determine what a miracle is and what are natural events?
Most are things that did not even happen
Is that where you get your theology from?It reminds me of this Futurama quote from the god-like galactic entity:
Galactic Entity: When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
(a personal favorite, Bender [the robot] gets adrift in space and a civilization grows on his outside. Things do not go well. Then he meets the powerful "galactic entity"...)
And the ones that did?Most are things that did not even happen.
Is that where you get your theology from?
Gene Roddenberry didn't want any references to religion in his Star Trek series.I don't have theology.
Gene Roddenberry didn't want any references to religion in his Star Trek series.
But he got a reality check.
Not like this one:I think you mean "royalty check".
Angry student protesters marched through central London towards Parliament on Thursday as lawmakers began debating a controversial plan to triple university tuition fees in Britain.
Let me ask you this, Hans, would you like every able-bodied person in the United States to sign up for college courses in science?
Yes.Wouldn't "able minded" be better?
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