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Again, i have no faith tradition.Yeah, your faith tradition does have issues.
Your right the text is evident and obvious. The problem is what you are getting out of those texts isn't what is in them.On the contrary - the mere quote of the text is sufficient to give rise to strong opposition to it.
The text is evident and obvious -- no matter those who wish to ignore every detail in it. When your argument is "against the text" then -- posting "the text" ... is sufficient for the unbiased objective readers.
Whatever "truth" you found on-line comes from someone's faith tradition. It sounds much like the Adventist's faith tradition, but there are others who are similar.Again, i have no faith tradition.
I'm a convert, for some 8 years now.
I used to be a 'Euro-buddhist' (you know, new agy..)
Haven't found a church yet.
Did find the Truth though.
Christ is my life and hope, yours is a cerial disc.Apparently not
Christ is my life and hope, yours is a cookie.
You really want it to be a tradition, don't you?Whatever "truth" you found on-line comes from someone's faith tradition.
But there's only One Jesus Christ, only One written Word of God.It sounds much like the Adventist's faith tradition, but there are others who are similar.
Maybe you should look at your little picture under your messages.First I do not appreciate the ad hominem nor breaking the rules of the forum by insinuating that I am not a Christian.
You insinuated in your post that the brother didn't find the truth as he believes so don't go around waving your 'mods are gonna hear about this' stick.First I do not appreciate the ad hominem nor breaking the rules of the forum by insinuating that I am not a Christian. Secondly you have no idea what Church I go to so don't assume. We can all see that you have no idea about historical Christianity because your ideas are full of lies
You really want it to be a tradition, don't you?
And i'm appalled by your calling Jesus Christ a "whatever truth you found online"
At least i don't think He is a cereal disc.But there's only One Jesus Christ, only One written Word of God.
And you know what?
Because i can say Jesus Christ payed for my transgressions on the cross, so that i am justified in Him, i am saved.
For Jesus Christ is the Door, He is the Way, nobody comes to the Father but through Him.
For God loved the world so much, He gave his only begotten Son.
And whosoever believes in Him will not perish, but have life eternal.
God gave me, a sinner, this belief.
All glory is to God.
You insinuated in your post that the brother didn't find the truth as he believes so don't go around waving your 'mods are gonna hear about this' stick.
I don't have to want, it is what it is. It would be like me wanting the moon in the sky...You really want it to be a tradition, don't you?
What a silly comment. First, you didn't come up with your false understanding of the Catholic Church in a vacuum, by just reading Scripture. It would be impossible for you to do so. So yes you have to be careful what you read online. There is a lot of garbage out there, and those websites that justify their Christianity, by making false accusations about another Christian group, need to be avoided at all costs. They are garbage. it is as simple as that.And i'm appalled by your calling Jesus Christ a "whatever truth you found online"
What is a cereal disc?At least i don't think He is a cereal disc.But there's only One Jesus Christ, only One written Word of God.
There is quite a bit required of you than just making a confession. Reading Scripture will tell you that.And you know what?
Because i can say Jesus Christ payed for my transgressions on the cross, so that i am justified in Him, i am saved.
Amen.For Jesus Christ is the Door, He is the Way, nobody comes to the Father but through Him.
For God loved the world so much, He gave his only begotten Son.
And whosoever believes in Him will not perish, but have life eternal.
Perhaps the passage above; but the other "stuff" for a lack of a better word, didn't come from God, but some idiot online.God gave me, a sinner, this belief.
Amen.All glory is to God.
If you are going to post something, post the whole thing, and not just an exert. This tells no one nothing.There are some exchanges here that contrast the RCC view of the wafer - the bread - in the communion service vs the non-RCC view.
There is a Catholic Commentary on the Baltimore Catechism after Vatican II that also addresses the two widely different points of view.
The Catholic statement we find in "The Faith Explained" by Leo Trese is 'instructive' even if this is a Catholic statement and I am not a Catholic.
Will post it. (However I don't know that this subject is specific to the OP about the Bible - unless the claim is that if you view the Mass as do many Catholics here - then you would have to reject Sola Scriptura testing of doctrine and tradition)
In any case - division on the POV exists - between Catholic and Protestants - so let's see what the Catholic view of that GAP is -
The Faith Explained – A bestselling RC commentary on the Baltimore Catechism post Vatican II by Leo J. Trese is promoted as “A standard reference for every Catholic home and library”. Complete with Papal Imprimatur -- Quote from page 350-351
Parenthetical inserts “mine”
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The Faith Explained – Page 350
“On this, the last night before His death, Jesus is making His last will and testament.
Ibid. Page 351
A last will is no place for figurative speech ; under the best of circumstances (human) courts sometimes have difficulty in interpreting a testator’s intentions aright, even without the confusion of symbolic language. Moreover, since Jesus is God, He knew that as a result of His words that night, untold millions of people would be worshiping him through the centuries under the appearance of the bread. if he would not really be present under those appearances, the worshippers would be adoring a mere piece of bread, and would be guilty of idolatry,. Certainly that is something that God Himself would set the stage for, by talking in obscure figurative speech.
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IF Jesus was using a metaphor; if what He really meant was, “This bread is a sort of SYMBOL of My Body, and this is a SYMBOL of My Blood (not yet spilled – so they were not then participating in sacrifice); hereafter, any time that My followers get together and partake of the bread and wine like this, they will be honoring Me and representing My death”; if that IS what Jesus meant (as many protestants claim), then the apostles got Him all wrong . And through their misunderstanding ,mankind has for centuries worshiped A PIECE OF BREAD as God”
These things happen in the heat of discussions.Thank you and I apologize if I have caused offense to you
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