Every spirit that confesses not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God...

[orbiter]

Peace in Christ.


Again, we who HEAR and believe in the Word of Truth are to manifest the life of Jesus in our MORTAL FLESH by the keeping of the “daily sacrifice” of the Lamb. We are to die to the sin. By doing so, we are manifesting the “Son of man” to this world for them so that they may SEE and believe in Him. The man-based churches are not teaching this. The spirit of the antichrist is not confessing that Jesus Christ IS COMING NOW in our mortal flesh and are preventing the manifestation of the Son of man to the world.

2Co 4:10-11 KJV
(10) Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
(11) For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

This “death”…His death (the Lamb slain)…that we participate in now in our mortal bodies exalts Him OUT of the earth.

By doing so, all people will be drawn to Him (the “great multitude) as they will see His glory shine through us (the 144,000 who stand with the LAMB.)

Joh 12:32-33
(32) And I, if I be lifted up from (OUT of) the earth, will draw all men unto me.
(33) This he said, signifying what death he should die.

Right now, the Son of man is not being seen in the man-based churches. The Son of man “goes”…that is, sinks out of sight…by those who are betraying Him. He is not being "lifted up" when His life is "sinking" out of view.

His life is not being made manifest in any man-based church where they have put a stop to keeping His daily sacrifice (the Lamb slain) in the lives of their congregations who are actually SERVING THE SIN rather than dying to it.

They are judging others via their church handwritings of ordinances/ordinances (such as their “statements of faith”) that their church scribes made for them to keep and serve rather than do God’s commandments which are written upon our hearts and minds. And so the Son of man (His life) is not being made manifest to the outside world.

Mat 26:24 KJV
(24) The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

The Son of man is betrayed NOW in the hands of sinners ....in the man-based (based on their church scribes’ external handwritings) churches where they are actually made servants of the sin rather than dying to it. We must awake out of our "sleep" and rise and depart from the man-based churches and be separate from them.

Mat 26:45-47 KJV
(45) Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.

We must “RISE” and go from the man-based churches where a great multitude of preachers and leaders are following in the footsteps of Judas…where they come to take Jesus (the keeping of His daily sacrifice) out of the lives of whom they are deceiving and are preventing the Son of man from being made manifest in the mortal flesh of those who are listening to them.

(46) Rise, let us be going: behold, he is at hand that doth betray me.
(47) And while he yet spake, lo, Judas, one of the twelve, came, and with him a great multitude with swords and staves, from the chief priests and elders of the people.

The Son of man MUST be lifted up so that outside WORLD may see and believe in Him and be saved. We lift Him up now by the keeping of His daily sacrifice so that His life is manifest in our mortal flesh. For God so loved the WORLD that He gives His only begotten Son. We lift Him up for the world to see Him through us. When Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, all they had to do was to LOOK and believe and be healed. Same principle here as well.

Joh 3:14-17 KJV
(14) And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
(15) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
(16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
(17) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

When we manifest His life in our mortal flesh, we stand with the “LAMB” on an exalted spot…on Mount (rising up) Zion (the sign of the Son of man) so that others may see Him through us. We become a "city" upon a hill that cannot then be hid. We become the light of the world through the manifestation of the life of Christ in our mortal flesh.

Rev 14:1 KJV
(1) And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

We are currently not seeing the manifestation of the Son of man to this world because of false prophets…deceivers who have entered into the world and are not confessing that Jesus Christ IS COMING NOW in our mortal flesh (the manifestation of the Son of man in our mortal flesh). They are preaching “another jesus” an antichrist (instead of the real Christ.)

2Jn 1:7 KJV
(7) For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

The truth of the gospel is not with the churches of men who are preaching via the “antichrist” spirit that is not confessing/acknowledging in their preaching that Jesus Christ IS COMING NOW in the flesh…in our mortal flesh. We manifest the Son of man in our mortal flesh for the world to see and believe.

1Jn 4:1-4 KJV
(1) Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
(2) Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
(3) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
(4) Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world
.

The Son of man is currently in the heart of the earth as the man-based church preachers are only earthly-minded and so have no understanding of the truth of the gospel so that their congregations may be saved. His life is not being made manifest in any of their gatherings.

Mat 12:
(40) For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

The enemies of the cross of Christ are keeping their congregations from dying to the sin (the Lamb slain) so that they may an age-lasting life. They are preventing His life from being made manifest in the mortal flesh of all that are being deceived by them. Their end is destruction….the destruction of their mortal bodies. They are minding “earthly things” and do not understand the truth of the gospel.

And so the Son of man is in the “heart of the earth” where His life is not being seen by the outside world as He is sinking out of sight in their gatherings rather than being lifted up out of the earth.

Php 3:17-19 KJV
(17) Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
(18) (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
(19) Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

 

[pastorwaris]

Peace in Christ.


Again, we who HEAR and believe in the Word of Truth are to manifest the life of Jesus in our MORTAL FLESH by the keeping of the “daily sacrifice” of the Lamb. We are to die to the sin. By doing so, we are manifesting the “Son of man” to this world for them so that they may SEE and believe in Him. The man-based churches are not teaching this. The spirit of the antichrist is not confessing that Jesus Christ IS COMING NOW in our mortal flesh and are preventing the manifestation of the Son of man to the world.

2Co 4:10-11 KJV
(10) Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
(11) For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

This “death”…His death (the Lamb slain)…that we participate in now in our mortal bodies exalts Him OUT of the earth.

By doing so, all people will be drawn to Him (the “great multitude) as they will see His glory shine through us (the 144,000 who stand with the LAMB.)

Joh 12:32-33
(32) And I, if I be lifted up from (OUT of) the earth, will draw all men unto me.
(33) This he said, signifying what death he should die.

Right now, the Son of man is not being seen in the man-based churches. The Son of man “goes”…that is, sinks out of sight…by those who are betraying Him. He is not being "lifted up" when His life is "sinking" out of view.

His life is not being made manifest in any man-based church where they have put a stop to keeping His daily sacrifice (the Lamb slain) in the lives of their congregations who are actually SERVING THE SIN rather than dying to it.

They are judging others via their church handwritings of ordinances/ordinances (such as their “statements of faith”) that their church scribes made for them to keep and serve rather than do God’s commandments which are written upon our hearts and minds. And so the Son of man (His life) is not being made manifest to the outside world.

Mat 26:24 KJV
(24) The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

The Son of man is betrayed NOW in the hands of sinners ....in the man-based (based on their church scribes’ external handwritings) churches where they are actually made servants of the sin rather than dying to it. We must awake out of our "sleep" and rise and depart from the man-based churches and be separate from them.

Mat 26:45-47 KJV
(45) Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.

We must “RISE” and go from the man-based churches where a great multitude of preachers and leaders are following in the footsteps of Judas…where they come to take Jesus (the keeping of His daily sacrifice) out of the lives of whom they are deceiving and are preventing the Son of man from being made manifest in the mortal flesh of those who are listening to them.

(46) Rise, let us be going: behold, he is at hand that doth betray me.
(47) And while he yet spake, lo, Judas, one of the twelve, came, and with him a great multitude with swords and staves, from the chief priests and elders of the people.

The Son of man MUST be lifted up so that outside WORLD may see and believe in Him and be saved. We lift Him up now by the keeping of His daily sacrifice so that His life is manifest in our mortal flesh. For God so loved the WORLD that He gives His only begotten Son. We lift Him up for the world to see Him through us. When Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, all they had to do was to LOOK and believe and be healed. Same principle here as well.

Joh 3:14-17 KJV
(14) And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
(15) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
(16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
(17) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

When we manifest His life in our mortal flesh, we stand with the “LAMB” on an exalted spot…on Mount (rising up) Zion (the sign of the Son of man) so that others may see Him through us. We become a "city" upon a hill that cannot then be hid. We become the light of the world through the manifestation of the life of Christ in our mortal flesh.

Rev 14:1 KJV
(1) And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

We are currently not seeing the manifestation of the Son of man to this world because of false prophets…deceivers who have entered into the world and are not confessing that Jesus Christ IS COMING NOW in our mortal flesh (the manifestation of the Son of man in our mortal flesh). They are preaching “another jesus” an antichrist (instead of the real Christ.)

2Jn 1:7 KJV
(7) For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

The truth of the gospel is not with the churches of men who are preaching via the “antichrist” spirit that is not confessing/acknowledging in their preaching that Jesus Christ IS COMING NOW in the flesh…in our mortal flesh. We manifest the Son of man in our mortal flesh for the world to see and believe.

1Jn 4:1-4 KJV
(1) Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
(2) Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
(3) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
(4) Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world
.

The Son of man is currently in the heart of the earth as the man-based church preachers are only earthly-minded and so have no understanding of the truth of the gospel so that their congregations may be saved. His life is not being made manifest in any of their gatherings.

Mat 12:
(40) For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

The enemies of the cross of Christ are keeping their congregations from dying to the sin (the Lamb slain) so that they may an age-lasting life. They are preventing His life from being made manifest in the mortal flesh of all that are being deceived by them. Their end is destruction….the destruction of their mortal bodies. They are minding “earthly things” and do not understand the truth of the gospel.

And so the Son of man is in the “heart of the earth” where His life is not being seen by the outside world as He is sinking out of sight in their gatherings rather than being lifted up out of the earth.

Php 3:17-19 KJV
(17) Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
(18) (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
(19) Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

Thank you for sharing such a deep and passionate reflection on the manifestation of Christ in our mortal flesh. I can tell you’ve spent significant time meditating on the Word and allowing the Holy Spirit to guide your insights and that’s something I deeply respect. You raise some powerful points about the calling of believers to die to sin, to walk in the Spirit, and to be living testimonies of the risen Christ. I’d like to respond in the spirit of dialogue, encouragement, and biblical clarity.

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YES Christ must be visible in our daily lives!​

You’re absolutely right that the Christian walk isn’t about dead religion, institutional performance, or merely believing doctrines on paper. The life of Christ is meant to shine through His people not just in future glory, but here and now, in our mortal bodies. Paul makes this clear:

“We always carry around in our body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be revealed in our body.”
– 2 Corinthians 4:10

So yes, the call is not just to believe but to embody. To live as crucified with Christ (Galatians 2:20), so His resurrection power is at work in us. There’s no gospel without transformation, and the world desperately needs to see Jesus in us, not just hear about Him.

But let’s be careful not to throw out the Body of Christ.​

Where I would lovingly push back a little is on the blanket condemnation of "man-based churches". I agree that many churches today are entangled in tradition, carnality, or performance-based religion. That’s real, and Jesus rebuked the same in His day. But let's not forget: Jesus still builds His Church (Matthew 16:18), and His true Church isn’t confined to buildings or denominations but neither is it absent from them.
The danger is in assuming all churches are corrupted and that the true Body only exists among those who “come out” from them. Yes, we need discernment. Yes, we must avoid dead religion. But the Bride of Christ is still active in the world today. There are many godly leaders, pastors, and congregations walking in holiness, truth, and Spirit-led power they're not perfect, but they are bearing fruit.
Paul rebuked churches like Corinth and Galatia but he didn’t tell believers to abandon the church altogether. He called for reform from within, not withdrawal into isolation.

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On the “daily sacrifice” and lifting up the Son of Man​

Your symbolism about the “daily sacrifice” is rich and in principle, I get what you’re expressing. We must live in continual surrender, dying to sin daily. But I would caution against turning this metaphor into a doctrine that implies Christ’s once-for-all sacrifice (Hebrews 10:10) somehow isn’t sufficient unless we "keep it going."
Yes, we participate in His death through dying to sin, but not because His sacrifice lacks power. Rather, because the flesh must be crucified in order for the Spirit to reign. But we do this by the Spirit, not through self-willed effort or rigid asceticism (Romans 8:13).
As for John 12:32, when Jesus said “If I be lifted up... I will draw all men to Me,” John immediately tells us He was speaking about His crucifixion. That event His death on the cross is the ultimate lifting up. While we absolutely reflect His life and should glorify Him publicly, the saving draw of the gospel rests not in our moral performance, but in His finished work.

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About Antichrist and Christ “coming in the flesh”​

You referenced 1 John 4:2 and 2 John 1:7, that every spirit which does not confess Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God. This verse is central to the epistles of John but let’s read it carefully in context.
John was combating Gnostic heresies, which denied Jesus came in real human flesh. These false teachers were saying Christ only appeared spiritual, not physically incarnate. So when John says “Jesus Christ is come in the flesh,” he isn’t talking about a daily mystical manifestation in us but rather affirming the historical Incarnation of Christ.
Now, Christ does dwell in us by the Holy Spirit (Gal. 4:6, Col. 1:27), and yes, we are being transformed into His image (2 Cor. 3:18). But that’s not the same as teaching He is "coming now in our flesh" in the sense of a new incarnation or re-living through us.
Let’s honor the context of John’s epistles and avoid giving them meanings they weren’t intended to carry.

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True transformation is the goal but grace is the method.​

You rightly grieve that many believers are not living the gospel they preach. I do too. But rather than abandon them, let’s help equip, disciple, and revive them. Let's call for repentance, for Spirit-empowered obedience, and for Christ to be truly seen in us not by law, but by grace that trains us to say “no” to ungodliness (Titus 2:11–12).

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So, Dear Brother,​

I hear your heart: the Church must wake up. And you're not wrong. But the answer isn’t to discard the gathered Church it's to be the Church and call others higher in love and truth. Let’s never forget:

• The Spirit and the Bride still say Come (Rev. 22:17).
• Jesus still walks among the lampstands (Rev. 1:13), which represent the churches.
• The gates of hell will not prevail against the Church Jesus is building.

So yes let us die daily. Let us live crucified. Let us lift up the Son of Man through our transformed lives. But let’s also do it together, as a Body, not divided in judgment, but united in truth, grace, and love.

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Would love to continue this discussion. You’ve stirred some vital truths, and I pray God keeps using you to ignite revival, not just criticism.
Grace and peace to you in Jesus Christ, our risen King.

 

[GreatMysteryofChrist]

Peace in Christ.


Again, we who HEAR and believe in the Word of Truth are to manifest the life of Jesus in our MORTAL FLESH by the keeping of the “daily sacrifice” of the Lamb. We are to die to the sin. By doing so, we are manifesting the “Son of man” to this world for them so that they may SEE and believe in Him. The man-based churches are not teaching this. The spirit of the antichrist is not confessing that Jesus Christ IS COMING NOW in our mortal flesh and are preventing the manifestation of the Son of man to the world.

Dear orbiter,
I can agree with some of what you stated but there were a lot of gaps in your statements. Maybe you can fill in those gaps by answering some questions.

Do you believe that all the churches that began in the 1st century became apostate by the end of that century? If not all, what organized churches in this world to you believe are not apostate?

Do you know the one and only sin that a babe in Christ can commit that will cause their loss of salvation and make them apostate?

Do you understand that the verse below is teaching about an apostate believer just before Christ comes to them a second time to convert them?

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Here is my understanding with my comments in blue:

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom (Satan's "another gospel") shall be preached in all the world (within an apostate believer) for a witness unto all nations (fully accepted by the apostate believer); and then shall the end come (the moment of conversion/salvation for the apostate believer).

When Christ comes a second time to a believer, Christ will pour out the baptism of the Spirit (the Latter Rain) which will heal the Elect babe's spiritual blindness. Once they can see, they will come to understand that they have been under the deceptions of Satan via the spirit of anti-Christ. This is the moment they will see the Abomination of Desolation that previously occurred within themselves (God's temple).

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: (because judgment is about to fall on the child of the devil/man of sin who they had become).

This judgment is presented in more detail in Mat 24:37-41 and in Rev 19:11-21. After this judgment is complete, the believer will be converted and saved.

If a believer has never seen the Abomination of Desolation, then they are still under Satan's deceptions because all babes since the death of Paul have fallen away and become apostate. The scriptures below describe how it happens.

Mat 12:43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. 45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself SEVEN other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

The spiritual symbol of an unclean spirit represents a spirit which teaches Satan's false truth through lies and deceptions.

Since a new believer remains spiritually blind (Mark 8:21-25) after receiving the Early Rain of the Spirit, they cannot replace their worldly false beliefs with the truth of Christ. ONE unclean spirit leaves but comes back with SEVEN more. The number "seven" represents perfection. In this case, the number seven represents the perfection of Satan's lies/deceptions which come to a believer by the indwelling of the spirit of anti-Christ. Now, instead of ONE unclean spirit within the believer, they now have EIGHT. The number eight is a spiritual symbol which represents a new spiritual condition. In this case, the new spiritual condition is worse than the first.

This "worse than the first" spiritual condition causes the believer to become a False Prophet, a Man of Sin, a Minister of Satan and a Seven Headed Beast with Ten Horns & Crowns.

How a babe becomes apostate is also described in the scripture below. Notice that a babe's spiritual blindness and Satan's deceptions are the causes of why all babes in Christ will fall away and become apostate.

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts (converted believers). 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another language (spiritual language) will he speak to this people. 12 But the word of the LORD was unto them (babes who draw milk) precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken (by Satan).

For a person to be converted, Christ must come to them TWO times. The first time Christ comes to them, He freely gives them the Early Rain of the Spirit (without their asking or permission). With the small measure of the Spirit, they will become a believer (a babe) and will call Jesus "Lord". They will no longer reject Christ. This is how a person enters the church. It happens because of the spiritual work that Christ did within them. They have no works of their own to boast about. Paul's Damascus Road experience is the pattern (1Tim 1:16) for how a person enters the church.

This verse below also applies:

1Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.

After Christ gives a person the Early Rain, they will be a babe in Christ who can only draw milk (Christ and Him crucified, 1Cor 2:2). In this condition, they will quickly be deceived by Satan and will become apostate via the spirit of anti-Christ. They are now a "man of sin".

Paul experienced the Early Rain on the Damascus Road. This when Paul became a babe in Christ and when he first accepted Jesus' authority over him (called Him Lord). Paul's blindness represented his spiritual blindness and is why Paul became apostate in Damascus for three days.

Since the end of the 1st century, all babes will become deceived by Satan after being given the Early Rain. They will remain in this apostate condition until they die unless they are one of the Elect. If they are Elect, Christ will come to them a second time (commonly called His second coming) and pour out the Latter Rain of the Spirit (the baptism). After they receive the baptism, their spiritual blindness will be healed and they will see the Abomination of Desolation. They will then come out from Satan's deception by eating the true bread from heaven and by drinking the New Wine.

Christ (typed by Ananias) came to Paul a second time after Paul's three days in Damascus were completed. When Christ came, Paul was given the Latter Rain and the scales fell from Paul's eyes. After Paul could see, he was given meat to spiritually strengthen him. Though not shown in Paul's conversion testimony, judgment would have then fallen on Paul to remove all the chaff (the spirit of anti-Christ and his marred & carnal spirit/Great Harlot) from within him. He would then be converted.

If a person does not understand the Early and Latter Rain concept taught in scripture, they will not be able to understand the pathway to salvation that Christ presents in many of His teachings (including Mat chapter 24).

The churches of this world are full of babes who have come under the deceptions of Satan due to their spiritual blindness. They think that they can see and are saved, but they are not. That is the nature of deception. You cannot know that you are being deceived while it is happening. For the Elect, Christ will come to them a second time and pour out the Latter Rain upon them. With their spiritual blindness healed, Christ will spiritually appear to them and will spiritually gather them from the earth to dwell with Him in heaven (Mat 24:29-31). It is not a physical change of location. It is a spiritual change of location that represents that the person is now in the Kingdom of Heaven.

How much of what I presented above matches to your present understanding? If you are not familiar with the Early and Latter Rain concept, I would be willing to explain it will more scripture.

Joe