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I don't have a scanner hooked up here at work so I have to type this out.
Please read all of it, and support this Please! This is so of the devil to try to put this into action. I know not all of you are Canadian, but the more people who voice their opinion the better it will be for all of us.

Bill C415, now before the Justice Committee, proposes changes to the Criminal Code hate crime legislation that are intended to CRIMINALIZE all people with dissenting opinions on homesexuality agenda. Are you a criminal because you do not approve of homosexual behavior?
This bill is NOT about hate crimes. The intent of this bill is to silence dissenting opinions about homosexual behavior(sexual orientation). It is about using a criminal code gun to threaten and intimaidate all Canadians - the religious and non religious that disagree with homosexuality or even other sexual behaviors. For example: many people of faith believe that homosexuality is a sin. If Bill C-415 becomes law, expressing this belief would become a hate crime. Other people may believe that homosexuality is unnatural or a perversion. To express this belief would become a criminal offence,. Even citing documented scientific evidence of the health risks of homosexual behavior could become a hate crime.

CONSEQUENCES

If Bill C-415 becomes law, the following consequences will result, especially once hate crime charges are brought before the courts:
-the Bible, at least certain portions of the Bible, may be declared "hate literature."
-Expressing disagreement with homosexual behavior or the homosexual agenda, either verbally or in writing, would be considered hate propaganda.
-Educators, inclulding those at private religious schoold, will not be able to refuse to teach homosexual curriculum.
-Religious institutions will not be allowed to teach anything non-supportive of homosexual sex.
-Governments(including local municipalities) will be prevented from passing(even debating) sex standards laws.
-churches will not be able to mention certain Scriptures
-Parents may be subjected to criminal charges if they refuse to allow their children to attend classes that teach about and promote homosexual behavior.
Are we going to allow the Canadian government to pass laws which are more totalitarian and morally corrupt than seen in some communist dictatorial and fascist regimes?
Please be aware that you will be told by some members of parliament that religion based views are exempt from this law, based on the religious subject term in section 319. Not true. We have already seen courts ignore the fundamental rights of religious freedoms, beliefs and even conscience.
In reality, even without this new law, religioius freedoms have been trampled on by courts and human rights commissions consistently in recent years. Courts have chosen to give so called "equality rights" greater weight than religous freedom rights.
The ammendments propsed by bill C-415 are oppressive and dangerous. They repress freedom of religion and freedom of speech. Canadians will lose the basic democratic right to express the convictions of their conscience. We will no longer have the right to debate sexual standards. At least one Ontario Liberal MP has already stated that sexual orientation inlude all forms of sexual behavior, sodomy, bestiality, pedophilia, homosexuality, bisexuality, transsexuality, polygamy, and even sado-masochism.

WHAT WE CAN DO
CFAC is calling upon you to demand our government defeat Bill C-415
Bill C-415 is not about hate crimes: It is about denying freedom of speech and freedom of religion.
Two people you can email regarding this to voice your opinion: Andy Scott of the Justice Committee, which is responsible for studying this amendment. Insist that no amendments be made to the hate crime law. The amendment should be scrapped.
Justice Minister, Martin Cauchon, insist he not allow this kind of assault on free speech and freedom of religion by such an oppressive law.
If you want more info on this, you can go to www.familyaction.org for more commentary and analysis fo Bill 415



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Hey, I am agnostic, and I disagree with the intent of this bill proposal. Personally, I feel that the more power is given to people outside of a particular group to control/limit that particular group, the less freedom everyone has.

I can see where they wanted to go with this, but like some other Canadian bills of late, they went far too far
 
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This is unbelievable. But according to the Word of God this is definitely a sign of the end times. In America we have already legislated God out of Government and Schools and there are groups working hard to erase even any memory of Him in these places. Like removing the slogan on our money and the "Under God" in our pledge.

Like 4jc said, if it passes there it is only a matter of time before all other countries follow suit. And then what else will be eliminated from God's Word? I can tell you. ALL of it.
 
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I TIMOTHY 3:1
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

II TIMOTHY 3:2
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

II TIMOTHY 3:3
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

II TIMOTHY 3:4
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

II TIMOTHY 3:5
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
 
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Ok, now I am opposed to the bill because of how it can be misused, but where do you get the "end of the world" scenerio out of this?

Removing "Under God" from the pledge? Or God from the money? Where in Revelations does it mention this? And Gunny, the only verse that could possibly be stretched to fit this would be "lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God" but what does that have to do with a bill directed at those who have a religious reason to preach against homosexuality?

I think you guys are stretching things here, but that is typical fundamentalist paranoia.
 
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Originally posted by FordPrefect
Ok, now I am opposed to the bill because of how it can be misused, but where do you get the "end of the world" scenerio out of this?

Removing "Under God" from the pledge? Or God from the money? Where in Revelations does it mention this? And Gunny, the only verse that could possibly be stretched to fit this would be "lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God" but what does that have to do with a bill directed at those who have a religious reason to preach against homosexuality?

I think you guys are stretching things here, but that is typical fundamentalist paranoia.

No this is the FELLOWSHIP FORUM. Not apologetics!
 
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Originally posted by Gerry
No this is the FELLOWSHIP FORUM. Not apologetics!

I am not the one who brought up the "signs of doom" speech, I thought the OP was regarding the potential misuse of the bill, and I tried to bring the topic back on track...

I did not mean to do in an Apolgetic way...
 
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Originally posted by 4jc
-the Bible, at least certain portions of the Bible, may be declared "hate literature."

Can you stop the rain or the snow from falling?

Isaiah 55:10-11
    For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: [11] So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.


 
 
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Hate crimes are just another way for governments to undermine free speech/thought.

As it was said on South Park:

"If a man kills another man, it's a crime.  But if a man kills another man of a different color, it's a hate crime....If a man kills another man because he is sleeping with his wife, is this not a hate crime?"

Violence is violence.  Hate crime laws are just another excuse for the government to monitor your every word.
 
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I think this bill is most tragic.  I've already written letters to the editor about this.  This is a huge attack on freedom of speech (unlike you Americans, we don't have the 1st ammendment and speech is constantly being challenged and censored - just ask those of us who are working in pro-life campus clubs across the country)

But one thing that might happen if this bill passes and Christians start being thrown in jail for speaking the truth of God's word, is that Christians might finally wake up from their complacency towards moral issues that also happen to be addressed in political spheres (like abortion for example).

As Canadian citizens, we are have the legal and political tools to be salt and light in our country, and to make sure that our salt keeps getting into the puss of our government so that they cannot forget or ignore God and His word without His children reminding them of the Truth.   But unfortunately, far too many Christians choose to live in a 'Christian sub-culture', ignoring anything that is 'political' (even if it was a moral problem first) and failing to really challenge our culture's thinking. 

If we fail to speak up now on this issue, the time will come when we will be persecuted.  But it will not be to God's glory.  It will be to our own shame, because we failed to follow God's call to be salt and light and to work towards change while we had the chance. 

We pray for revival and for God to change our country, but most of us fail to act in a way that might lead to change.  Outside of our churches, we are largely a church that is  culturally irrelevant. 

I pray that the threat of this bill will wake Christians up in time.  We must challenge moral evils even if they are political (I don't know where people ever got this idea that Christians shouldn't be involved in politics of this world, in the first place). 

The day will come when God will judge our country.  And as citizens of a democracy who had the chance to do something, we too will be judged according to what we did and did not do. 

And that's my little sermon for the night. :)

Kristine
 
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You are aware, of course, that the phrase "under God" wasn't added to the pledge until 1954?

Yes! I was in school at the time and am well aware of when it was added and applaud the decision. But no matter when it was added I do not want to see it removed.
 
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For those who might be confused, you'll note that the 2 email links provided are from Canada (a google search backs up this hypothesis). So there ain't much an US citizen can do to contribute to a campaign against it, so far as I know.

Second, I can't find any links that aren't by a Christian organization. I smell a conspiracy theory. (Like taxing emails.)

Can someone provide a government link or a non-christian link that says that such a bill exists? In the US, you can find a ".gov" link on just about any bill that exists, so I've been told.

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Originally posted by Tinker Grey
I can't find any links that aren't by a Christian organization. I smell a conspiracy theory. (Like taxing emails.)

Can someone provide a government link or a non-christian link that says that such a bill exists?
Tinker

http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/1/parlbus/chambus/house/bills/private/C-415/C-415_1/C-415_cover-E.html

It's called a private Member's Bill, and it follows a slightly different procedure than the US Government.  It has just begun its' trip through the system, so it remains to be seen what exactly happens with it.

By the way, the Member proposing this Bill is a known, practicing gay, who has tabled bills similar to this consistently in the past half-dozen years.  This seems just a tiny little thing, that little piece of amendment on that page, but the effects of that tiny little amendment could mean a world of difference.

"The ammendments propsed by bill C-415 are oppressive and dangerous. They repress freedom of religion and freedom of speech. Canadians will lose the basic democratic right to express the convictions of their conscience. We will no longer have the right to debate sexual standards. At least one Ontario Liberal MP has already stated that sexual orientation inlude all forms of sexual behavior, sodomy, bestiality, pedophilia, homosexuality, bisexuality, transsexuality, polygamy, and even sado-masochism."

"The intent of this bill is to silence dissenting opinions about homosexual behavior(sexual orientation). It is about using a criminal code gun to threaten and intimaidate all Canadians - the religious and non religious that disagree with homosexuality or even other sexual behaviors. For example: many people of faith believe that homosexuality is a sin. If Bill C-415 becomes law, expressing this belief would become a hate crime. Other people may believe that homosexuality is unnatural or a perversion. To express this belief would become a criminal offence,. Even citing documented scientific evidence of the health risks of homosexual behavior could become a hate crime. "

You asked . . .
 
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Just outof curiosity, Tinker, why are you so quick to assume that Christians would make up something like this and get all crazed about a fictional conspiracy?  Do you honestly believe we're all the type to believe the first thing someone says to us, without weighing the evidence for its truth, or checking out the source?

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Originally posted by Tinker Grey
For those who might be confused, you'll note that the 2 email links provided are from Canada (a google search backs up this hypothesis). So there ain't much an US citizen can do to contribute to a campaign against it, so far as I know.

Pretty much...

Originally posted by Tinker Grey
Second, I can't find any links that aren't by a Christian organization. I smell a conspiracy theory. (Like taxing emails.)

Can someone provide a government link or a non-christian link that says that such a bill exists? In the US, you can find a ".gov" link on just about any bill that exists, so I've been told.

I don't have a non-christian link on me, but since I am a non-christian maybe you will take my word for it, this proposal has been in the local papers and is controversial, if not for its content, but for the underhanded, sneaky way in which it was presented.
 
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