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Ha It works for me LOL.Once again I get totally ignored. Maybe instead of starting my posts off to Jim with a friendly greeting I should cuss and swear at him first?
I am sure you have something in mind that you wanted to say.Ha It works for me LOL.
Once again I get totally ignored. Maybe instead of starting my posts off to Jim with a friendly greeting I should cuss and swear at him first?
I'm not Jim, but I'll give it a go.Once again I get totally ignored. Maybe instead of starting my posts off to Jim with a friendly greeting I should cuss and swear at him first?
The desires of man's heart are only evil continually. This biblical concept gives us an interesting view of what God's desire is, His desire is that we would remain in fellowship with Him. That is, that sin would not exist. I don't see Him getting that, do you? God for the most part wants, desires, wills, the opposite of what man wants, desires, wills, so what would make us think even for a fleeting second that our desires, our requests would be the same as God's? It is only when we allow the Holy Spirit and that same spirits Love to transform us, to govern us, to direct us, that our wills, our desires will be the same. That is the point. It isn't our wills, our desires, nor was it Christ's wills and desires, but rather God's that brings about the unity of body and soul (spirit) into oneness, which is God's plan from the start to the finish.Is there a difference between what God wills and what God desires? I for one don't believe that what God desires is always what God recieves. He is longsuffering though and willing to wait to recieve what He desires.
I see this theology and wonder what bible some are reading. At least from the standpoint of how it is being presented (practice may or may not present a problem) for example, you talk about God's desire that all who need healing will be healed. Actually the bible is pretty clear that all who come will be healed and that healing is spiritual in nature but that isn't the point I wish to discuss at the moment. The point I wish to discuss at the moment is that of God's purpose, His will. If you do a bit of study on the topic, you soon find that His purpose, His will, is that the physical man and the spiritual man would live in harmony. Therefore, all theology about God's will being healing, or wealth, or whatever we wish to make it, is ourselves and our fleshly desires, not the biblical understanding of who God is and what He desires for us.I believe it was not God's desire for Adam and Eve to sin, but they did.
So healing; I do believe that God desires that all who need healing will be healed, but as we all know, there are things standing in the way of God's desire. Is it God's desire that everyone comes to believe in Him and be born again? Yes, but is that what happends? I don't believe so. Is it God's desire that all handicaped people walk? yes but is that what happends? No.
Many people make the mistake of assuming to use the same premise as God does when they don't even know what God's purpose is. Do you know what God's purpose since the beginning of time was? Have you studied this yet? The bible tells us that God's purpose from the beginning of time and for eternity is that the natural man and the spiritual man would live in peace with one another. Be married to one another as it were. This happens when we yield the fleshly, evil desires of the flesh over to the spirit. Allowing the spirit to be the head, and the flesh to be in submission to that head. This can only occur through the Lord Jesus Christ. Now we can take this one step further yet. God's purpose in all this is that we will be blameless, pure, undefiled. In other words, God's purpose for man is not that man would never suffer, never know sickness, never... His purpose is that man would learn to yeild the old man to the spiritual man thus living as one, without war. If this is done through suffering so be it, if it is done through healing, that is cool to. The point is what event will bring this about for the individual but rather that the individual does this because of and through the Christ.I'm not Jim, but I'll give it a go.
No, Jesus didn't heal at His own will but in conjunction with the will of His Father. He copies what He sees His Father doing. What is His Father doing? Look at who the Father is. The Father is all merciful, longsuffering, and loving. If that is true the Father will be doing things that prove those points. Likewise The Son will also.
Hi Jim
No, Jesus didn't heal at His own will but in conjunction with the will of His Father. He copies what He sees His Father doing. What is His Father doing? Look at who the Father is. The Father is all merciful, longsuffering, and loving. If that is true the Father will be doing things that prove those points. Likewise The Son will also.
Is there a difference between what God wills and what God desires? I for one don't believe that what God desires is always what God recieves. He is longsuffering though and willing to wait to recieve what He desires.
I believe it was not God's desire for Adam and Eve to sin, but they did.
So healing; I do believe that God desires that all who need healing will be healed, but as we all know, there are things standing in the way of God's desire. Is it God's desire that everyone comes to believe in Him and be born again? Yes, but is that what happends? I don't believe so. Is it God's desire that all handicaped people walk? yes but is that what happends? No.
Just some thoughts...
Here you go.The Word of Knowledge is a good manifestation of the Spirit - but why can't you just talk to the Father and have Him tell you out of your relationship with Him?
I don't pray for people's healings - there's no scriptural support for asking God in prayer to heal anyone. The disciples were not told to pray for peoples healings:
Luke 9:1 When Jesus had called the Twelve together, he gave them power and authority to drive out all demons and to cure diseases, 2 and he sent them out to preach the kingdom of God and to heal the sick.Jesus didn't tell them to ask, Jesus said nothing about it being God's will or not - He simply gave them the authority and then told them to go heal the sick. And they did.
Luke 10:1 After this the Lord appointed seventy-two others and sent them two by two ahead of him to every town and place where he was about to go.72 OTHERS - not even the disciples - Jesus sent them out - to do what?
8"When you enter a town and are welcomed, eat what is set before you. 9 Heal the sick who are there and tell them, 'The kingdom of God is near you.'
Jesus didn't tell them to ask, Jesus said nothing about it being God's will or not - He simply gave them the authority and then told them to go heal the sick. And they did.
Acts 3:1 One day Peter and John were going up to the temple at the time of prayerat three in the afternoon. 2 Now a man crippled from birth was being carried to the temple gate called Beautiful, where he was put every day to beg from those going into the temple courts. 3 When he saw Peter and John about to enter, he asked them for money. 4 Peter looked straight at him, as did John. Then Peter said, "Look at us!" 5 So the man gave them his attention, expecting to get something from them. 6 Then Peter said, "Silver or gold I do not have, but what I have I give you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, walk." 7 Taking him by the right hand, he helped him up, and instantly the man's feet and ankles became strong. 8 He jumped to his feet and began to walk. Then he went with them into the temple courts, walking and jumping, and praising God. 9 When all the people saw him walking and praising God,The man got healed by Peter's words and actions, but Peter NEVER asked God to heal him - Peter never asked if it was God's will to heal the man - he just used his authority and healed the man.
That's what's missing today - that's where we are missing it!
The deep personal day to day relationship with God the Father through Jesus. So personal and so deep that we can instantly know His will and help people. So deep and personal that we interact with Father just like Jesus, the one we're called to imitate, did.
But instead of the multiple multiple examples of how Jesus and the disciples healed through this relationship-, we've reduced knowing God's will to trial and error -
Well, if we pray and we don't see them ......, God must be trying to teach them something - or it must not be God's will.
We have pastors in pulpits that admit they don't know what the will of God is, never seeing this:
Romans 12:2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.I've been thrown out of Word of Faith circles because I preached this hard. We're not just supposed to know His will - but prove it.
It's time we got off our high horse of (I think this might be why), and got on our knees and spent real time fellowshipping with the Father so we can train ourselves to hear His voice.
Well, in Balance's post, his points raise an issue about a believer's faith and why a person is not healed. Which is why I have an issue with some doctrines concerning Faith Healing. I am not the only one who is having this problem.Here you go.
Bumpity bumpity...
Good stuff!
I'm not sure why. Even Jesus said on some occasions, "According to your faith, be it unto you."Well, in Balance's post, his points raise an issue about a believer's faith and why a person is not healed. Which is why I have an issue with some doctrines concerning Faith Healing. I am not the only one who is having this problem.
I'm not sure why. Even Jesus said on some occasions, "According to your faith, be it unto you."
Do you have a problem with that statement?
According to my faith, it will be given to me whenever God's decides. Today or tomorrow or after death. By faith, I am able to walk on WATER or move the MOUNTAINS, only if its according to God's will at the time. We need to understand what God desires, not what man desires while at the same time, we need to understand God's TIME.I'm not sure why. Even Jesus said on some occasions, "According to your faith, be it unto you."
Do you have a problem with that statement?
Nope.and yet.... the question is completely ignored once again.
Well, in Balance's post, his points raise an issue about a believer's faith and why a person is not healed. Which is why I have an issue with some doctrines concerning Faith Healing. I am not the only one who is having this problem.
The Word of Knowledge is a good manifestation of the Spirit - but why can't you just talk to the Father and have Him tell you out of your relationship with Him?
I don't pray for people's healings - there's no scriptural support for asking God in prayer to heal anyone. The disciples were not told to pray for peoples healings:
Luke 9:1 When Jesus had called the Twelve together, he gave them power and authority to drive out all demons and to cure diseases, 2 and he sent them out to preach the kingdom of God and to heal the sick.Jesus didn't tell them to ask, Jesus said nothing about it being God's will or not - He simply gave them the authority and then told them to go heal the sick. And they did.
Luke 10:1 After this the Lord appointed seventy-two others and sent them two by two ahead of him to every town and place where he was about to go.72 OTHERS - not even the disciples - Jesus sent them out - to do what?
8"When you enter a town and are welcomed, eat what is set before you. 9 Heal the sick who are there and tell them, 'The kingdom of God is near you.'
Jesus didn't tell them to ask, Jesus said nothing about it being God's will or not - He simply gave them the authority and then told them to go heal the sick. And they did.
Acts 3:1 One day Peter and John were going up to the temple at the time of prayerat three in the afternoon. 2 Now a man crippled from birth was being carried to the temple gate called Beautiful, where he was put every day to beg from those going into the temple courts. 3 When he saw Peter and John about to enter, he asked them for money. 4 Peter looked straight at him, as did John. Then Peter said, "Look at us!" 5 So the man gave them his attention, expecting to get something from them. 6 Then Peter said, "Silver or gold I do not have, but what I have I give you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, walk." 7 Taking him by the right hand, he helped him up, and instantly the man's feet and ankles became strong. 8 He jumped to his feet and began to walk. Then he went with them into the temple courts, walking and jumping, and praising God. 9 When all the people saw him walking and praising God,The man got healed by Peter's words and actions, but Peter NEVER asked God to heal him - Peter never asked if it was God's will to heal the man - he just used his authority and healed the man.
That's what's missing today - that's where we are missing it!
The deep personal day to day relationship with God the Father through Jesus. So personal and so deep that we can instantly know His will and help people. So deep and personal that we interact with Father just like Jesus, the one we're called to imitate, did.
But instead of the multiple multiple examples of how Jesus and the disciples healed through this relationship-, we've reduced knowing God's will to trial and error -
Well, if we pray and we don't see them ......, God must be trying to teach them something - or it must not be God's will.
We have pastors in pulpits that admit they don't know what the will of God is, never seeing this:
Romans 12:2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.I've been thrown out of Word of Faith circles because I preached this hard. We're not just supposed to know His will - but prove it.
It's time we got off our high horse of (I think this might be why), and got on our knees and spent real time fellowshipping with the Father so we can train ourselves to hear His voice.
Nope.
We are ignoring your doctrines as much you and Pete are ignoring my or other doctrines.
Never wondered because with our "past history" and knew that you would ignore mine until recently.HOGWASH!
I'm not the one bringing up doctrine - you are.
I am asking for his POV on the scriptures -
and you wonder why I ignore your posts.
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