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Even IF Christ rose again. . . So what?
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<blockquote data-quote="Clare73" data-source="post: 75554347" data-attributes="member: 309690"><p>Our reward is not immortality, which our spirits <em>already</em> have (Php 1:21-24; Lk 16:9-31) as seen in Jesus' parable (Lk 16:19-31) where <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)"><span style="font-size: 18px">the immortal spirit of the rich man is in agony in the fire of Hades in Sheol, while</span> <span style="font-size: 18px">the immortal spirit of Lazarus is in the bosom (at the side) of Abraham (Paradise), both of whom are living immortals spirits in Sheol. . .</span></span><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #000000">as well as</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #0000b3"><u> Heb 12:22-23</u>, where the (immortal) <em>spirits</em> of righteous men made perfect (OT saints) are presently in the church of the firstborn.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #0000b3"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #0000b3">Jesus also shows the same in <u>Lk 20:37-38</u>:</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #0000b3"></span></span></p><p>He says that God told Moses <span style="color: #000000">"I <u>am</u> (present tense) the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob" (Ex 3:6), who were long dead.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">"He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for unto him all are alive." </span><span style="color: #000000">(no annihilation) </span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">Therefore, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are living. . .their spirits are <em>immortal</em>.</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p>So no, our reward is not the immortality of our spirit which we already have, our reward is the <em>clothing</em> again of our immortal <em><u>spirits</u></em> with their <em>spiritual</em> (sinless, glorious, powerful, imperishable) <em><u>bodies</u></em> at the resurrection when the Son of Man shall come in glory.</p><p></p><p>Paul reveals that while we are in this earthly tent (our body), "we groan because" our immortal spirit does "not wish to be unclothed" by the dismantling (death) of its earthly tent; it is unnatural to us in the highest degree; our immortal spirit would rather just have its body changed in the twinkling of an eye, than "be found naked" without the clothing of its body (2Co 5:1-4).</p><p></p><p>Our spirits groan inwardly as we eagerly await our adoption as sons at the resurrection of our bodies, the final stage of our adoption (Ro 8:23), where our immortal spirits will once again be clothed, this time in ever so splendid array.</p><p></p><p>Yes. . .the human spirit is immortal, as is the human soul, while the human body is mortal.</p><p></p><p>Yes, Jesus had an immortal human spirit in which was eternal (i.e., God's) life, just as did Adam.</p><p>Adam lost God's life in his immortal spirit by disobedience.</p><p>Jesus maintained it by obedience.</p><p></p><p>As a matter of fact, the NT shows that he did.</p><p></p><p>Peter reveals (1Pe 3:18-20) that the immortal spirit of <span style="color: #0000b3">Jesus</span>, at his death and before his resurrection, <span style="color: #0000b3">went to Hades</span> (erroneously called "hell" when the KJV was translated and the Apostles' Creed was formulated) <span style="color: #0000b3">to make proclamation</span> (presumably of his kingdom and appointment as the world's judge)</p><p><span style="color: #0000b3">to the spirits in prison</span> (presumably the fallen angels of 2Pe 2:4).</p><p>Except for what <u>Jesus</u> (Lk 16:19-31, 20:37-38), <u>Paul</u> (1Php 1:21-24) and <u>Peter</u> (1 Pe3:18-20) reveal.</p><p>.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Clare73, post: 75554347, member: 309690"] Our reward is not immortality, which our spirits [I]already[/I] have (Php 1:21-24; Lk 16:9-31) as seen in Jesus' parable (Lk 16:19-31) where [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 179)][SIZE=5]the immortal spirit of the rich man is in agony in the fire of Hades in Sheol, while[/SIZE] [SIZE=5]the immortal spirit of Lazarus is in the bosom (at the side) of Abraham (Paradise), both of whom are living immortals spirits in Sheol. . .[/SIZE][/COLOR][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]as well as[/COLOR] [COLOR=#0000b3][U] Heb 12:22-23[/U], where the (immortal) [I]spirits[/I] of righteous men made perfect (OT saints) are presently in the church of the firstborn. Jesus also shows the same in [U]Lk 20:37-38[/U]: [/COLOR][/SIZE] He says that God told Moses [COLOR=#000000]"I [U]am[/U] (present tense) the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob" (Ex 3:6), who were long dead.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff0000]"He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for unto him all are alive." [/COLOR][COLOR=#000000](no annihilation) Therefore, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are living. . .their spirits are [I]immortal[/I]. [/COLOR] So no, our reward is not the immortality of our spirit which we already have, our reward is the [I]clothing[/I] again of our immortal [I][U]spirits[/U][/I] with their [I]spiritual[/I] (sinless, glorious, powerful, imperishable) [I][U]bodies[/U][/I] at the resurrection when the Son of Man shall come in glory. Paul reveals that while we are in this earthly tent (our body), "we groan because" our immortal spirit does "not wish to be unclothed" by the dismantling (death) of its earthly tent; it is unnatural to us in the highest degree; our immortal spirit would rather just have its body changed in the twinkling of an eye, than "be found naked" without the clothing of its body (2Co 5:1-4). Our spirits groan inwardly as we eagerly await our adoption as sons at the resurrection of our bodies, the final stage of our adoption (Ro 8:23), where our immortal spirits will once again be clothed, this time in ever so splendid array. Yes. . .the human spirit is immortal, as is the human soul, while the human body is mortal. Yes, Jesus had an immortal human spirit in which was eternal (i.e., God's) life, just as did Adam. Adam lost God's life in his immortal spirit by disobedience. Jesus maintained it by obedience. [COLOR=#000000][/COLOR] As a matter of fact, the NT shows that he did. Peter reveals (1Pe 3:18-20) that the immortal spirit of [COLOR=#0000b3]Jesus[/COLOR], at his death and before his resurrection, [COLOR=#0000b3]went to Hades[/COLOR] (erroneously called "hell" when the KJV was translated and the Apostles' Creed was formulated) [COLOR=#0000b3]to make proclamation[/COLOR] (presumably of his kingdom and appointment as the world's judge) [COLOR=#0000b3]to the spirits in prison[/COLOR] (presumably the fallen angels of 2Pe 2:4). Except for what [U]Jesus[/U] (Lk 16:19-31, 20:37-38), [U]Paul[/U] (1Php 1:21-24) and [U]Peter[/U] (1 Pe3:18-20) reveal. . [/QUOTE]
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