Eve In The Garden

BeyondET said:

I gather this is your answer, so explain the three woman at the well and moving mountains have to do with the tree of life and knowledge tree becoming one.

Was the knowledge tree spit in half and the evil part dumped.

There's a whole lot you have to explain for me to consider your hypothesis.

Everything else was kind of rambling on about theologians.

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shadowhunter said:

Are you familiar with the three women at the well? Can you move a mountain to the sea?

I apologize for what may seem to be obtuse questions. Your questions have indicated to me that we live in different hermeneutical worlds and will be talking past one another.

If you presume the Word is literal-historical, as most do, then you fall under the great umbrella cast by the theologians of the last century who reluctantly confessed that they cannot read the scriptures the way Jesus and the NT authors did. (see the sensus penior debates). That is not intended as an insult, but as a definition of why they have the problem that they themselves have defined.

When Jesus read the scriptures he did not see Adam, Moses and Abraham; he saw himself. The differences in the gospels teach us how to read like Jesus, but the experts call it the "Synopic Problem".

If we don't have the same foundation for understanding scriptures, we will continue to talk past one another. The scripture is prophetic riddle hidden inside the literal-historical. This should be the topic of it's own discussion.

Thanks.

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Mr. M said:

With regards to the concern for personal ownership,
there will always be the battle between flesh and spirit:
covetousness versus contentment.

It is noteworthy that before anyone sinned and fell
in the garden, Eve demonstrated covetousness.
Genesis 3:6 So when the woman saw that the tree
was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes,
and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of
its fruit and ate.
James 1:
13 Let no one say when he is tempted, I am tempted
by God; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does
He Himself tempt anyone.
14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away
by his own desires and enticed.
15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin;
and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.

So how is it that some speak of "innocence" in the garden?
There was desire, ready to conceive.
1 John 2:
15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone
loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh,
the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—
is not of the Father but is of the world.
17 And the world is passing away, and the lust of it;
but he who does the will of God abides forever.

The Gospel concern remains covetousness towards what
others own, and the magnification of sin caused thereby.
In 1 Kings 21, King Ahab desired a vineyard owned by
Naboth, who refused to sell his family inheritance to the
king, so his wife, Queen Jezebel had Naboth murdered!

17 Then the word of the Lord came to Elijah the Tishbite,
saying,
18 Arise, go down to meet Ahab king of Israel,
who lives in Samaria. There he is, in the vineyard of Naboth,
where he has gone down to take possession of it.
19 You shall speak to him, saying, Thus says the Lord:
Have you murdered and also taken possession?

In spite of how often the scriptures speak of idols and
idolatry, the church does a poor job of making clear that
idolatry is born out of covetousness, and that self-
seeking and envy leads to all manner of sins. Genesis 4:7

James 3:16 For where envy and self-seeking exist,
confusion and every evil thing is there.

Colossians 3:5 Therefore put to death your members
which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion,
evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.

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Mr. M said:

With regards to the concern for personal ownership,
there will always be the battle between flesh and spirit:
covetousness versus contentment.

It is noteworthy that before anyone sinned and fell
in the garden, Eve demonstrated covetousness.
Genesis 3:6 So when the woman saw that the tree
was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes,
and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of
its fruit and ate.
James 1:
13 Let no one say when he is tempted, I am tempted
by God; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does
He Himself tempt anyone.
14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away
by his own desires and enticed.
15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin;
and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.

So how is it that some speak of "innocence" in the garden?
There was desire, ready to conceive.

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