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DrStupid_Ben · Apr 1, 2007

I like the idea of the website, and I would join.

I have a question for you guys. Where would you say that Adventism as a whole stands in regards to these categories?

I would like to see Adventists (and Evangelicals) as being a middle of the road thing. We didn't quite fit in with the rest of the fundamentalists in the 20's, and we certainly didn't fit in with the liberals as well. I think that Adventists have struggled finding that middle ground at times, because you get attacked from both sides.

Adventist Dissident · Apr 1, 2007

RC_NewProtestants said:
Sound like a good idea, if you have visited Adventist blogs (you can find a good list on my blog ) http://cafesda.blogspot.com/
you will see that the majority are actually progressive Adventists so there is a good representation there. But another discussion forum would be useful.

I don't like the term Evangelical anymore as it is often equivalent to Fundamentalist in today's world and it also carries a connotation that only the penal/substitutionary atonement is the only possible view.

I would guess that the reason the Progressive SDA forum here gets less use is because most progressive are more troubled by the restrictive views of the Traditional so they get the most attention in the topics. For instance the progressives SDA's are not going to get all excited about did Jesus have a prefall or post fall nature. It is a non issue. The sabbath is more important for the restoration of people then for what day someone finds their rest. So it is not a big issue in the main, certainly not compared to the attention the sabbath gets whenever mentioned on the Traditional forums. The emphasis between the progressive and the traditional is really quite different.

thanks for the input. I am not partial to the term progressive to much baggage. it mean anythinge from those who mildly disagree, tho those who are full blown humanist. to vague and nebulas. i favor Evanglica, but I have to disagree eith th fundementalist association. When I think of evanglical I think of those seeking a perosnal relationship with God and the need to be born again. I thin it is a good way to still emphaisize the protastant Mllerite connection.

Sophia7 · Apr 1, 2007

RC_NewProtestants said:
Sound like a good idea, if you have visited Adventist blogs (you can find a good list on my blog ) http://cafesda.blogspot.com/
you will see that the majority are actually progressive Adventists so there is a good representation there. But another discussion forum would be useful.

I don't like the term Evangelical anymore as it is often equivalent to Fundamentalist in today's world and it also carries a connotation that only the penal/substitutionary atonement is the only possible view.

I would guess that the reason the Progressive SDA forum here gets less use is because most progressive are more troubled by the restrictive views of the Traditional so they get the most attention in the topics. For instance the progressives SDA's are not going to get all excited about did Jesus have a prefall or post fall nature. It is a non issue. The sabbath is more important for the restoration of people then for what day someone finds their rest. So it is not a big issue in the main, certainly not compared to the attention the sabbath gets whenever mentioned on the Traditional forums. The emphasis between the progressive and the traditional is really quite different.

We used to have a lot more progressives here, but most of them left. A lot of it had to do with tension between the traditional Adventists and others.

Adventist Dissident · Apr 2, 2007

Sophia& do you think we should start a new chruch?

How about a website?

Sophia7 · Apr 2, 2007

icedragon101 said:
Sophia& do you think we should start a new chruch?

How about a website?

I don't know. I wish there were room in the Adventist Church for those who don't agree with all 28 fundamentals, but we have in effect made them into a creed; officially, they have to be affirmed before baptism (even though a lot of people are baptized without actually agreeing with all of them). I know there are Adventists who have issues with them and who choose to stay in the church, but they would be ostracized in many of our churches if they were vocal about their views. I wonder what would happen if everyone who disagreed with the IJ or EGW or whatever started discussing these things openly. I don't think the church wants to acknowledge how widespread these disagreements are within their ranks. Would they finally have to confront the real issues, or would they continue to bury their head in the sand and get rid of the dissenters? If the church is teaching truth, it will stand the test of investigation. If not, shouldn't we be willing to cast off the errors and move on?

I'm not really in favor of striking out on our own and starting a new church either. It would be easy to go off on a tangent and begin teaching questionable doctrines, removed from the authority of an established church body.

A website may be a good idea, though.

RC_NewProtestants · Apr 3, 2007

Speaking of Baptismal vows, I put a post on my blog about the 2000 edition of them. I could agree with 2 without modification, there is one there that is crazy, you could not be a cashier in a grocery store if you made that vow because you would might be selling alcoholic beverages.
http://cafesda.blogspot.com/2007/03/review-of-baptismal-vow.html

Sophia7 · Apr 3, 2007

I agree with you that many of the baptismal vows far overreach biblical principles, and I would have to disagree with many of them now as well (especially the all-encompassing #11). I was baptized at age 10 and was never even asked to affirm a list like that (although I would have had no objection to it then). The Adventist idea of what's required for baptism is far different from the NT practice.

RC_NewProtestants · Apr 3, 2007

It is also very much dependent upon the pastor. My daughter was baptized maybe 5 years ago and he did not ever give her the baptizmal vows. He is a very good guy. He also made the whole service about her baptism, she chose the songs etc. It was really nice for her and something I wish more pastors would consider.

Adventist Dissident · Apr 3, 2007

what baptizimal vows would suggest and support?

Sophia7 · Apr 4, 2007

RC_NewProtestants said:
It is also very much dependent upon the pastor. My daughter was baptized maybe 5 years ago and he did not ever give her the baptizmal vows. He is a very good guy. He also made the whole service about her baptism, she chose the songs etc. It was really nice for her and something I wish more pastors would consider.

My husband doesn't ask people if they accept all of the vows when he baptizes them. He especially doesn't make them answer each question publicly, as I've seen in some churches. Sometimes he will have them give a testimony about how they met Jesus, if they feel comfortable sharing it.

Sophia7 · Apr 4, 2007

icedragon101 said:
what baptizimal vows would suggest and support?

I would like to see them simplified and not so Adventist-specific. However, I realize that that will never happen because the church wants to baptize people into the denomination and not just into Christ.

freeindeed2 · Apr 4, 2007

Sophia7 said:
I would like to see them simplified and not so Adventist-specific. However, I realize that that will never happen because the church wants to baptize people into the denomination and not just into Christ.

You are absolutely right.

RC_NewProtestants · Apr 5, 2007

Icedragon, do have familarity with some of the discussion forum software. How much website space or traffic allowance the forum would need etc.

Adventist Dissident · Apr 5, 2007

RC_NewProtestants said:
Icedragon, do have familarity with some of the discussion forum software. How much website space or traffic allowance the forum would need etc.

No i don't know about that I am aware of the term pphb., but thats it, the idea is in it's infancy.

DrStupid_Ben · Apr 6, 2007

Well, icedragon, definately let us know when the idea grows!

Adventist Dissident · Apr 6, 2007

DrStupid_Ben said:
Well, icedragon, definately let us know when the idea grows!

i don't know what to do, to start and I don't how much time it takes, i really don't want to do it alone. i think i need a team of about 5 to start Ideally I'd like 10, but 5 i think would do it.

here is what I would need to do

1. assemble team
2. hash out beliefs how are we different, how are we the same.
3. establish some Goal. what do we want to do with it.
4. devlope policies
5. develope a marketing plan and recruting stratey.
6. logo
7. set up a fourm, my space, website, tripod.
8 . talk about financing
9. anything else??

tall73 · Apr 7, 2007

Sophia7 said:
My husband doesn't ask people if they accept all of the vows when he baptizes them. He especially doesn't make them answer each question publicly, as I've seen in some churches. Sometimes he will have them give a testimony about how they met Jesus, if they feel comfortable sharing it.

Actually this is not true Makes me wonder whether you have been paying attention!

If they are willing they do a testimony. But I have read the vows publicly a number of times and have them agree.

tall73 · Apr 7, 2007

RC_NewProtestants said:
Icedragon, do have familarity with some of the discussion forum software. How much website space or traffic allowance the forum would need etc.

I have offered to set up a simple forum for Icedragon.

You can get a free discussion forum, ad-driven, from invision free.

Or you could go to the free forumer phpbb board.

The only cost then would be registering a domain name, and I have checked out a few. Yahoo will do it for about 9 bucks a year.

The other option is to pony up for some web hosting and some of them include forum modules.

Then you have more control of your database, full control panel access, etc.

As to marketing it is mainly submitting to search engines etc. and you could do google ads if you really wanted to drive traffic.

Sophia7 · Apr 7, 2007

tall73 said:
Actually this is not true Makes me wonder whether you have been paying attention!

If they are willing they do a testimony. But I have read the vows publicly a number of times and have them agree.

I didn't say that you've never done it. But you haven't been doing it lately.

tall73 · Apr 7, 2007

I guess we have had more vocal folks lately

The last one to be baptized had a great testimony, so hard to pass that up.

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