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So you believe that Man needs your definition of free will in order to repent properly? Lord give me strength.With Calvinism it is luck of the draw repentance dose not matter.
I fail to see how a Calvinist cannot claim the same thing.With Arminianism God says I will regenerate you through the cross to persevere if you have faith,but if you reject me you crucify me twice and have no excuse.
God creates evil for many more reasons than just that, there is no evil that God doesn't have purpose forGod creates evil to test humans but is a just God giving all the chance to do his will.
Those who decide to not follow God after given the second chance through the cross will justly get his wrath.
I never met a Calvinist that says you don't have to repent! Without repentance there is no salvation! And if you think Calvinist don't do missions, do a research and take a trip through time and you will prove your own self wrong in your thinking. I will ask you the same question I asked earlier: If Jesus died for all men's sin, do men pay for their sins again in hell? Jesus either paid a potential price on the cross or He paid a particular price. If Jesus paid for all men's sin, then men would not go to hell for their sins since they have been paid in full and with a price! Jesus said I came to seek that which belongs to the Father and all the Father gives me I will not turn away. He can only turn away those whom the Father didn't give to Him. If conversion is true and of God, you can not lose your salvation as there is no great power than God that can snatch you from His hand! The bible is clear that those who turn away were never saved to start with. I have never questioned my salvation since being saved and I never will, the Holy Spirit testifies with my spirit that I belong to the master and that I am no longer a slave to sin, but a slave to Christ who bought me at a price I can never pay backWith Calvinism it is luck of the draw repentance dose not matter.
With Arminianism God says I will regenerate you through the cross to persevere if you have faith,but if you reject me you crucify me twice and have no excuse.
Hebrews 6:5-6 KJV
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
With Calvinism it is luck of the draw repentance dose not matter.
With Arminianism God says I will regenerate you through the cross to persevere if you have faith,but if you reject me you crucify me twice and have no excuse.
Hebrews 6:5-6 KJV
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
I never met a Calvinist that says you don't have to repent! Without repentance there is no salvation! And if you think Calvinist don't do missions, do a research and take a trip through time and you will prove your own self wrong in your thinking. I will ask you the same question I asked earlier: If Jesus died for all men's sin, do men pay for their sins again in hell? Jesus either paid a potential price on the cross or He paid a particular price. If Jesus paid for all men's sin, then men would not go to hell for their sins since they have been paid in full and with a price! Jesus said I came to seek that which belongs to the Father and all the Father gives me I will not turn away. He can only turn away those whom the Father didn't give to Him. If conversion is true and of God, you can not lose your salvation as there is no great power than God that can snatch you from His hand! The bible is clear that those who turn away were never saved to start with. I have never questioned my salvation since being saved and I never will, the Holy Spirit testifies with my spirit that I belong to the master and that I am no longer a slave to sin, but a slave to Christ who bought me at a price I can never pay back
Sins can't be paid for twice though. Either Christ paid for all sin or paid for some sin. If He paid for all sin for all then all would be saved because His death is that strong. If He paid for all sin for all people and some still go to hell, they go with their sins paid for. If a person is born a sinner, he is condemned already, therefore we are already condemned before birth since we are sinners before birth. Paul wrote that for the order of election to remain, God chose Jacob over Essau before either was born or yet formed in the womb. Who condemned us? Adam when he and Eve fell in the garden. The fallen angels were not given a chance at redemption because they are not created beings in the order which God created humans and sent Christ to die. scripture is clear that even before the foundation of the world was created, God in His redemptive plan to save a many ordained Jesus to die fro the sins of many and He was made a propitiation to reconcile many back to God. Do I think you are saved? I most certainly do! Do I think God saved you from sin by His grace on mercy? I most certainly do! Do I think you said yes? I most certainly do! Do I think you said yes by waking up and deciding that day you would follow Christ without the Holy Spirit first enabling you to do so? Surely not. Love you in truth and love my brother!
You are right I was just studying this today in fact. The Holy Spirit is the one who works in us and shows us are sinful nature and need for him. We can not see are own sin, or know the truth with out the works of The Holy Spirit in us.
It is written Jesus took on the sins of the world, what that means is for those who accept it. here is a story maybe it will help.
There is a group of men sentence to jail, all the same amount of time, when in walks a man who says i will pay there fine and do there jail time. Now all of the men accept this mans offer but one. He says out of pride he will do his own jail time, and so he does.
Now that man that paid the others debt was he not willing to pay the man's debt who refused. So you could say the man came to pay the debt for all the prisoners even if one man would not take him up on his offer.
That is what it means Jesus died for the sins of the world or for all mans sins. He does not force it on any one they have to accept it, or else they can pay their own debt.
Does that make sense?
How about we stick to parables from the Bible to describe salvation? The Parable of the Sower is very good in this regard (Matt 13:1-9,18-23)
So prophet, if God speaks through you then why is it not in line with what has preceded, shall we stone you now or do you want to take that claim back?That's fine, and all but i was not speaking to you. You think you could let God speak through me how he chooses.
The Holy Spirit continues to guide the Church as he has always done, the problem however is not whether he continues to talk to us but how, Scripture is breathed out by God, so why look to other analogies that when pressed do not actually conform to Scripture when Scripture itself will suffice.Or are you suggesting The Holy Spirit does no longer preach today?
I don't think it doesThe story holds true to the bible
So prophet, if God speaks through you then why is it not in line with what has preceded, shall we stone you now or do you want to take that claim back?
The Holy Spirit continues to guide the Church as he has always done, the problem however is not whether he continues to talk to us but how, Scripture is breathed out by God, so why look to other analogies that when pressed do not actually conform to Scripture when Scripture itself will suffice.
I don't think it does
So prophet, if God speaks through you then why is it not in line with what has preceded, shall we stone you now or do you want to take that claim back?
The Holy Spirit continues to guide the Church as he has always done, the problem however is not whether he continues to talk to us but how, Scripture is breathed out by God, so why look to other analogies that when pressed do not actually conform to Scripture when Scripture itself will suffice.
I don't think it does
Just from the Parable of the Sower the problems with your parable are that you have given too few groups, there are those that will for a time be seeming to accept the Grace of God but will inevitably due to pressures of the world whether it be pressures to conform or persecution do not exhibit true faith and when it really comes down to it do we really think that the Sower in the parable (who is God btw) does not know that the seed he sows anywhere other than the good soil will not yield grain.How about instead of accusing me you show with Gods word where it is not with it.
Seeing as I don't view that episode as Scriptural, I will instead use Matt 7:1-5 as the accusation that you have against me. From that I will say that I don't claim to be a mouthpiece for God. If God uses me to bring a person to repentance then it is in spite of me, not because I am some "super-Christian"If i had sinned i would say let he who is with out sin cast the first stone.
I wasn't aware that I had.Thou shall not bare false witness
so why have you not yet answered my first post to this that you prove your accusation.
You don't accuse some one and then not show proof. Is it maybe you can not.
Answer my first post in response to this, or could it be you are only here to push peoples buttons sow seeds of discord?
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