Eternal Justification

Osage Bluestem said:

I think this short sentence explains it all. Justification from eternity is true.

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This makes the most sense, at least to this Calvinist. A sovereign God's plan for our eternal salvation and justification is not subject to chance.

cygnusx1 said:

saw a documentary on Westboro Baptists last night , they filmed in the chapel , I noticed TULIP hanging on the wall just next to the preacher , later they showed a row of large pictures of Calvinist Theologians including Gill ... made me feel sick and uneasy , some are going to think all Baptists are nuts , and as for Calvinists , they even had a quote directed at them from Romans 9 , they cannot have ever read the first few verses . Where is the love in laughing and singing of mens destruction .... outrageous.

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I've only had some experience with completely ingrown churches, but none has been very good. There's an ever-spiralling sense of exceptionalism in these churches. Westboro appears to have simply reached that point ahead of the rest.

With Calvinistic strains of exceptionalism the "T" in TULIP gets minimized more and more. It's about "them", not "us". And the end result of it is ... a kind of introduction of prevenient moral ability the likes of which Wesley wouldn't even admit to.

May God continue to humble small churches -- and save through grace in spite of our own evil.

More helpful links for those studying the issue.

JM said:

More helpful links for those studying the issue.

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Like baptismal regeneration…it never hurts to know the finer points of false doctrine.

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JM said:

It's justification FROM eternity, not IN eternity....

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Your statement above is deceptive.

The false doctrine of, justification from eternity, asserts that we are justified "in" eternity…for it is in eternity (you falsely claim) that the elect have the righteousness of Christ imputed to them.

And therefore, and as a consequence, of Christ being their surety…(upon entering the world and from their first breath)…their sins are imputed to Christ.

Therefore your statement is quite duplicitous.

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