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The thread on Wiccan Christians (of which I know some, but that's another story) got me thinking about this, mainly because I want to know more about it, though this may be more appropriate under the "Non-Christian Religion" or "Unorthodox Theology" forums.

What does anyone on here know about esoteric Christianity? I haven't been able to read very much about it, but it seems interesting, and there are some people on here whose views I'd like to hear. :)

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I am very interested in Gnostic Christians. I understand they call them "esoteric" because they don't follow certain theology but rather wait for the HS to reveal it to them. They are assigned a theology based on ancient documents but they were a rather scattered and unorganized bunch.

There is a lot about them that appeals to me. I'm not quite sure that I agree with their concept of the "God of this world".....It makes sense to me, but I am still uncomfortable with it.

Basically they follow Christ..(and the revelation of Christ) and ...thats it. They don't get involved with a concept of God (Old Testament) that interferes with the God that Christ shows us....and I like that.
 
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McCravey said:
I am very interested in Gnostic Christians. I understand they call them "esoteric" because they don't follow certain theology but rather wait for the HS to reveal it to them. They are assigned a theology based on ancient documents but they were a rather scattered and unorganized bunch.

There is a lot about them that appeals to me. I'm not quite sure that I agree with their concept of the "God of this world".....It makes sense to me, but I am still uncomfortable with it.

Basically they follow Christ..(and the revelation of Christ) and ...thats it. They don't get involved with a concept of God (Old Testament) that interferes with the God that Christ shows us....and I like that.

I'm also very interested in the Gnostics, mainly because I really like Jesus, but have some problems with how the church in general turned out.

Following Jesus, and his revelation...and that's it.

I think I maybe could hang with that. :)
 
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The gnostics also recognized the concept of "Christ" in other religions and philosophies. In fact, they embraced Plato and his writings as being "gnosis" (revelatory....revealed by the Holy Spirit)

I did some reading this weekend on St. Augustine's "Two cities" ( I hope I called the book by the right name) anyway, Augustine suggested that Romans pay attention to Plato's exegisis on Philo (the love) sophy (the female name of the Holy Spirit, also called Wisdom) A love of Wisdom. Wisdom is another way of coming to Christ.

Valentinus ( an early gnostic christian) was really hip on Plato. One of the things the gnostics rely on is the ability to "hear and know the voice". They felt that the voice of Christ and the voice of Wisdom (Sophia, Holy Spirit) can be heard when people speak and write. Not everything people say comes from that voice, but some of it can. They can recognize that voice.

On a persoanl basis, Iv'e heard that voice in some very unsual places. I've heard them from a drunk woman and from a drug dealer.(which actually, the gnostics believe that you find more "Christ" in the lower places on the earth) I've heard them in Ghandi's voice and in MLK Jr.'s voice, along with others. I just don't hear them very often from your standard everyday variety of Christian. Oh, and I hear them quite often from the posters on this forum. It's not up to me to judge, of course, but it is up to me to listen and discern for myself the voice that speaks to me.

That is sort of what gnosis is all about.

Oh, and to add, they see Buddha as an enlightened one (one who has gnosis) Although, in comparison, they see Christ as the Logos (Word) and the ultimate one who did not come to gain enlightenment, but rather, came to enlighten.........the Light of the world.
 
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tulc said:
I don't think God hides anything. He has from the begining sought to reveal Himself to mankind why would He disguise His truth? Just a thought. :)
tulc(not deep, just types slow.) :sorry:

I'm inclined to think that everything is revealed, but that it's up to us to actually see it. And if we can't see it through writings of various enlightened persons, maybe God will reveal it in a way that we - as an individual - can see.

I'm starting to think I may be an esoteric Christian, which isn't surprising as I've been looking into the roots of the tradition that I belong to and have found a lot of esoteric Christianity in the G.'.D.'., which (not surprisingly, given Crowley's understandable distaste for all things Christian, given his very strict, fundamentalist upbringing) didn't carry over into Thelema.

Kind of a pain trying to reconcile a respect for Christ with Thelema. :)
 
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tulc said:
I don't think God hides anything. He has from the begining sought to reveal Himself to mankind why would He disguise His truth? Just a thought. :)
tulc(not deep, just types slow.) :sorry:

Actually, it does say that "the creation was subjected to frustration", and the frustration of life is important to the development of individuals. It also states that "it is the glory of God to conceal a matter".

Now, God certainly does reveal himself, but the way He does this is anything but clear. This is why the Bible is so subject to interpretation, it was written this way by intention.
 
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I think I read somewhere that God clothes himself in darkness. And yes the verse that "it is the glory of God to conceal a matter". Also says and it is the pleasure of kings to uncover them.

It has been my Christian walk lately to look deeper and find those things that God has hidden in plain sight.
 
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It has been my Christian walk lately to look deeper and find those things that God has hidden in plain sight.

...so...not so much hidden as you had to learn to see what was there all the time? Cool! :)
tulc(going to find some brutal coffee, for a brutal time!) :mad:
 
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tulc said:
...so...not so much hidden as you had to learn to see what was there all the time? Cool! :)
tulc(going to find some brutal coffee, for a brutal time!) :mad:

Yes, how true. It is us that hides the truth from ourselves. We have to be changed to understand it. As we become more like Christ and learn to love as he loved then the truth once hidden becomes plain to our faces (as we look in the mirror?).


The Holy Spirit helps in these matters by bringing into *re-membrance* the things we already know but is hidden from our understanding.....thus esoteric (whatever we think that word means)

Every true christian already has everything they need.
 
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